June 25th, 2024

LHM to permanently close and sell DEC-10 at auction

The Living Computers Museum + Labs in Seattle, founded by Paul Allen, will not reopen. Allen's estate will auction vintage computer artifacts, including a DEC PDP-10, to donate proceeds to charity. The closure impacts Seattle's tech history landscape.

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LHM to permanently close and sell DEC-10 at auction

The Living Computers Museum + Labs in Seattle, founded by Paul Allen, will not reopen after closing in 2020. The museum, managed by Allen's estate since his death in 2018, will auction off vintage computer artifacts from Allen's personal collection through Christie's later this year. The auction, titled "Gen One: Innovations from the Paul G. Allen Collection," will feature over 150 items, including a DEC PDP-10 computer estimated to fetch $30,000 to $50,000. The closure marks the end of an era for the museum, which housed a significant collection of historic computing technology. The estate's decision to sell items aligns with Allen's wish to donate proceeds to charitable causes. The museum's closure leaves a gap in Seattle's tech history landscape, with hopes that some pieces from Allen's collection will remain in the area for preservation and educational purposes. The museum's legacy included showcasing rare computing technology, offering educational opportunities, and providing immersive experiences around tech advancements. Despite the closure, the impact of Living Computers on Seattle's tech community and the broader historical narrative of computing remains significant.

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By @BobAliceInATree - 5 months
The sad reality is that you can spend a lifetime collecting something, the but likelihood that any of your potential heirs is also interested in it, is pretty close to zero. That's true of multi-million dollar vintage computers, or your childhood stamp collection that's mostly worthless. Paul's mistake was not properly establishing a foundation & endowment to maintain this musuem, which almost certainly leaks lots of money.

I personally have a decent art collection that I've amassed over the past couple decades. I have a few pieces earmarked in my will to specific friends & family that have really liked certain pieces (they don't know), but the reality is that my estate executor is going to sell the vast majority of it, and at 50¢ on the dollar of what I paid.

By @armadsen - 5 months
I adored the Living Computers Museum. Being able to just sit down and use an Apple 1, Xerox Alto, Altair 8800, and so many more in the same place was incredible. And then, a friendly museum employee being there to show you how to use it, tell you about what made it unique, etc. was even better. It was so much better than most look-but-don’t-touch museums.

It’s really a travesty that Paul Allen’s sister seems bent on dismantling everything he left behind.

By @algebra-pretext - 5 months
Around two months ago I stopped by the building and saw through a window that the interior seemed mostly untouched. So, out of concern for the condition of any items that may still be inside, I snooped around the perimeter looking for a way in until a very loud intercom told me to get off the property. Probably not the reason for this announcement but I can’t help but feel partially responsible.

The RE-PC vintage computing warehouse nearby also has a small museum with equipment going back to the 60s, you can’t touch anything but other sections of the warehouse have plenty of 90s and 2000s desktops set up that you can play with. It’s a good place to look for ancient cables, obscure controllers (I saw two SideWinders there last time), and older displays, I’m planning to go back to pick up the Apple Studio CRT https://everymac.com/monitors/apple/studio_cinema/specs/appl...

By @kragen - 5 months
this is pretty unfortunate. iirc they had the only digital pdp-10 in the world that's currently in working order — the line of computers on which emacs, microsoft basic, simtel-20, and compuserve all originated. most of the arpanet was pdp-10s at one time. nasa's gsfc spacelink ftp site, where you could download space photos, was the only one i ever encountered running

hopefully that machine will find a good home in the auction and not be destroyed in the process

the fact that it's shut down is, as bobaliceinatree said, a terrible indictment of paul allen's estate planning. unless he just didn't care about the people who survived him

By @buildbot - 5 months
It’s so incredibly stupid to sell off each piece of the museum - 50K for a DEC-10? Does the Allen estate really need the cash? Jody Allen is simply bent on destroying her brother’s legacy.

It was extremely cool and educational to visit the museum as an EE undergraduate, to visually see and use parts of the history of computing. It’s a massive loss to loose this collection. Some of the items we will never get back or see again.

By @tivert - 5 months
Some embarrassingly rich person needs to give the Computer History Museum enough money to buy all of it.

It's puzzling why all his stuff was organized in such a way that it could get wound down like this. Seems like it would have been way better to create a nonprofit then endow it with enough money to keep operating independently.

By @romwell - 5 months
Oh no! What a crying shame.

This was one of my favorite museums in the world, probably with no analogues.

When I interned in Microsoft in 2014, I got to experience Seattle — and the Living Computer Museum was one of the highlights of that experience.

Simply being able to walk in and close-up something simple (say, Fibonacci sequence) on a typewriter terminal of the PDP-10 — and then see the typewriter type the output back to you on the same piece of paper was absolute magic (and a part of computing I wish we still had).

By @da-bacon - 5 months
There was a world before the dot com explosion when tinkering with computers was odd, a passion that gripped few, and was looked upon as extremely odd by most. This museum was the closest thing to being able to travel back to that era. You could plop yourself down at a Xerox Alto and hack away to your heart's content. Being able to share this experience with my son is something I will always remember about this museum.

A sad day for computing, and a sad day for Seattle.

By @themaninthedark - 5 months
There is a computer museum in Roswell, GA. Just north of Atlanta that is pretty neat. https://www.computermuseumofamerica.org/
By @PaulHoule - 5 months
I thought it was so sad that they shut down the computer museum in Boston years ago. It makes me think of how much more geographically diverse the computer industry was in the US back in the 1980s and how Boston has just given up on its history. It used to be associated with the Boston Children's Museum which had a DEC-10 way back in the early 1980s. They were pretty lucky because DEC would usually donate PDP-8s or PDP-11s to places like that.
By @erickhill - 5 months
They have a basement filled with hundreds if not thousands of computer donations stockpiled like the warehouse scene from Indiana Jones.

Also, it's "LCM" not "LHM".

By @notlisted - 5 months
I haven't had the pleasure to visit this specific museum, but I did manage to visit https://www.homecomputermuseum.nl/en/ in my native country of The Netherlands on my last trip to Europe, and it's a real gem, also allowing hands-on interaction. I also "adopted" my first PC.

(for those familiar with The Netherlands, it's located in Helmond)

By @picometer - 5 months
The museum was also a generous community space; I remember attending a Seattle Indies game jam and other events before the pandemic. It was very special to be surrounded by reminders of early-computing exploratory spirit.
By @craniumslows - 5 months
If you liked the Living Computer Museum then you may be interested in the https://icm.museum/ Interim Computer Museum.
By @anigbrowl - 5 months
Marc Porter, chairman of Christie’s Americas, said in a statement that the market has never seen such a diverse collection “that so beautifully chronicles the history of human science and technological ingenuity — much less one assembled by a founding father of modern computing.”

These honeyed words ring deeply hypocritical when you consider Christie's sees the collection purely as an asset capable of yielding a significant commission once sold.

The closure came as the estate began to deal with a number of properties that no longer had a billionaire benefactor to help keep the doors open, and in line with what the estate says was Allen’s desire to sell his assets after his passing.

I wonder about this. If someone has made a vast fortune in technology, retired from that field to take up philanthropy, built a museum to share the benefits of their experience and insight with the next generation, it seems rather unlikely to me that their greatest posthumous aspiration is to have it dismantled and dispersed.

I find the auction of assets like fine art (also mentioned in the article) easier to understand as art collections are semi-ephemeral and the trading and circulation of fine art among the wealthy has been going on for many centuries. But it also strikes me that having raised $1.6 billion by selling off the art, the estate is not exactly short of funds to keep the museum functioning.

By @spaceguillotine - 5 months
Paul Allen sure didn't have great foresight for post death. First Cinerama and now the computer museum. The current sentiment with seattle lifers is that he used Seattle as a playground and didn't actually care about the longevity.

EMP now MoPop just keeps hanging on by a thread as well and has gone through lots of turmoil.

By @AlbertCory - 5 months
I took the photos for the cover of my first book on an Alto that was rescued from the museum. This was when it was "closed for the pandemic."

Anyhow, this guy had two working Altos in his basement in Bothell.

By @vinc - 5 months
It's a very sad news.

I'm from Europe and I've never been to the States, but I loved the remote access to the Living Computers Museum. I'd often do `ssh menu@tty.livingcomputers.org` to see what was up. I'm glad to see that this will now be `ssh menu@tty.sdf.org`. Will it only be emulators or will there be some real computers?

By @ChrisArchitect - 5 months
Deleted all the social accounts and website offline too? Harsh :-(
By @ColinWright - 5 months
David Singmaster, author of the first book on how to solve the Rubik Cube, had a vast collection of mathematical books, papers, ephemera, and a huge collection of twisty puzzles, and other puzzles.

His wish was that it remain in the UK, and he really, really wanted it to stay as a collection. But it's effectively impossible.

Collections, even significant collections[0], are hard to keep together. I wish I had the money necessary to acquire and make accessible collections like this.

[0] I'm not saying David's collection is significant, but it is substantial, and contains many things potentially of interest.

By @rtpg - 5 months
I was lucky enough to go to this in 2019 (thanks Gary for organizing Deconstruct right at the moment in my life where I could make the trip!), and honestly it was _so motivating_.

There's obviously some nostalgia, but seeing a bunch of machines with self-contained tooling and in working order, that you could goof around in with people around you was so satisfying.

I get the complications of running all of that stack, but a part of me would be hopeful for some systemic reproductions of some environments. Something like a "mini Windows 98" with 10 games or so and that copy of QBASIC and some VB.

By @mrpippy - 5 months
What a damn shame, I went in 2019 and had an amazing time. Played with a NeXT cube, Sun/3, Lisa, Alto, and so many more machines.
By @aamargulies - 5 months
Perhaps this is a case of the opposite of love being indifference not hate.
By @ChuckMcM - 5 months
This is so sad for me on so many levels. Not the least of which that I came very very close to giving them my PDP-5 because they would keep it running and the curator at the time gave the impression that Paul was setting up a trust to keep the Museum operating (which he could have, but did not).

Guess his heirs would rather have his billions than his legacy.

By @wakeneddreamer - 5 months
Alliance Bernstein published a white paper about transferring ones collection and preserving value

http://bernstein.com/our-insights/insights/2024/whitepaper/c...

By @fnordpiglet - 5 months
I wish another area group formed to reopen the museum and acquire lots. I assume they tried and those who made so much from the computers success had so little interest in keeping that history living.

I don’t blame the sister as many do, I realize it’s his wish actually. And in some ways it’s the way it should be. The people who love the computer should keep the museum around. It’s just a shame so many wealthy tech people don’t have that love.

By @shrubble - 5 months
If it was donated by someone, shouldn't they give it back to the person who donated it? How does it get sold for cash?
By @evereverever - 5 months
I am saddened that I never was able to visit this museum.

With all of that money it could have easily been fully funded for 100 years.

By @devwastaken - 5 months
I've wanted to get my hands on an IBM or other with an orange plasma display for a while. Or really any old terminal. It's funny because buying them is very expensive, but places showcasing them are few now.
By @esafak - 5 months
Why is it shutting down? I scanned the article but failed to find the reason.
By @araes - 5 months
Surprising. Visited right before Covid, and it seemed rather popular. Children wandering around playing with exhibits. Would have not expected a place like that to go under. Think every floor had maybe 10? folks while I was there.

Really one of the better hands-on museums with the "lab" component. Had lots of neat digital wall displays to play with, and programmable science toys.

Only downside was location. Tried walking cause I had no idea where it really was, and super-quick realized it was way past the coliseum and almost down to the badlands warehouse district by the freight harbor. Right between the railyards. Bad mental model of Seattle distances. Signage was also really difficult to spot. https://maps.app.goo.gl/SPCCJhT7B9aBfANNA Can you even tell there's a museum there?

Weird part from my own perspective, is Gate's runs a non-profit in his spare time as a hobby(?). Even if they weren't best-bros afterward, it would still take something like finger wagging to a functionary to not have this be a PR dumpster fire.

By @banish-m4 - 5 months
Whaaa? Maybe they should donate to, I don't know, the Computer History Museum rather than allow speculative collectors to pick the bones of historical artifacts.
By @jmpman - 5 months
So, what is the estate going to do with that money? Surely the family has billions they will never be able to spend, but they must liquidate everything that Paul built and loved?
By @thriftwy - 5 months
One thing I didn't notice when travelling to Bay Area is thriving small museum ecosystem.

Apparently in the US they prefer to run museums like commercial venues, so either it's a large theme park of a museum, or not at all. I see the news where houses of very notable people like Ray Bradbury[1] sold and scrapped - elsewhere they'd be made a local prodigy of a "house-museum".

1. https://www.latimes.com/books/jacketcopy/la-et-jc-ray-bradbu...

By @spullara - 5 months
How about donating them to the Computer History Museum in SV?
By @RGamma - 5 months
That said, some collector's items only gain value much later. Think 200+ yo stuff. Kinda need several generations to hold on to it though.
By @alchemist1e9 - 5 months
When is the auction? Anyone have the details available?
By @peatmoss - 5 months
Damn, this is a gut punch. I used to love this place. Just hanging out with the old systems was a flood of nostalgia and good memories.
By @cchi_co - 5 months
I think it is a loss for the tech community and those interested in the history of computing.
By @rbanffy - 5 months
It sickens me something like this is happening to this unique museum. I knew it was a matter of time, but, still, it’s a tragedy that’s hard to comprehend.
By @musicale - 5 months
It's a shame that there isn't a computing company near Seattle that could fund it or revive it.
By @TobinCavanaugh - 5 months
Bummer, this place was a bunch of fun
By @Moldoteck - 5 months
I hope german HNF museum will get it's hands on at least some of this stuff
By @kelsey98765431 - 5 months
rest in peace, thank you for giving me the memory of what root on an '11 felt like for dms, and a little of that all asm love for the single cve. Someday i will write it a sister and publish in TLCHM memory. farewell friend and thank you for the fish
By @brianjking - 5 months
This is so sad, Living Computer Museum was one of the best places I've ever been.
By @13of40 - 5 months
> A highlight of the sale is a computer which Allen helped restore and on which he worked, a DEC PDP-10: KI-10. Built in 1971, it’s the first computer that both Allen and Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates ever used prior to founding Microsoft. It’s estimated to fetch $30,000 to $50,000.

What? I know lots of people who would save them the trouble and buy it now for $50K. How bad of an investment could that be?

Edit: I'm picturing something large refrigerator sized like the PDP-8 at RePC down the street. If it's cheap because it's a 20-ton white elephant that's a different story.

By @leotravis10 - 5 months
A HUGE cultural loss and I'm grateful that I got to visit it a few years ago.
By @atlgator - 5 months
Send the inventory to the Computer Museum of America (Roswell, GA)
By @jmward01 - 5 months
The best living computer museum I ever went to was The Weirdstuff Warehouse. Between it and Fry's I had everything I needed. It is too bad this is closing down, but then again it is hard to keep everything from the past and still move forward.
By @mepian - 5 months
Après moi, le déluge?