July 14th, 2024

Warframe devs report 80% of game crashes happen on Intel's Core i9 chips

Developers report high crash rates on Intel Core i9 and i7 CPUs in games like Warframe and Fortnite. Issues linked to poor power and thermal management, prompting some to switch to AMD systems. Intel advises BIOS updates for mitigation.

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Warframe devs report 80% of game crashes happen on Intel's Core i9 chips

Warframe developers have reported that 80% of game crashes occur on Intel's overclockable Core i9 chips, with Core i7 K-series CPUs also experiencing high crash rates. The team diagnosed the issue and found that applying a BIOS update helped alleviate the crashing problem for one team member. However, other developers like Alderon Games have experienced a 100% crash rate on servers and PCs using 13th and 14th Gen Intel CPUs, leading them to switch to AMD systems. Epic Games has also noted frequent crashes on Intel CPUs in games like Fortnite. The root cause seems to be related to poor power and thermal management on Intel CPUs, potentially exacerbated by overclocking. Intel is yet to fully understand the issue, but users are advised to stay updated with BIOS updates to potentially mitigate the problem. These ongoing instability issues with Intel CPUs raise concerns as the company prepares for the launch of Arrow Lake desktop CPUs later this year.

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By @shaggie76 - 3 months
Warframe dev here; there seems to have been some confusion in the article that has misrepresented what we said here:

https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1405008-instability-on-rec...

We posted an follow-up to clarify this morning:

https://forums.warframe.com/topic/1405596-follow-up-regardin...

By @KevinMS - 3 months
Well I'm in the market for a new gaming pc, and because I dont want to do some meta analysis of reports of which intel chip will crash on me, I'm going with AMD.
By @AnotherGoodName - 3 months
It feels like intel simply pushed the clock rates too close to the edge to keep up with competition. These cpus are very poor over clockers. No margins at all. Add a hot summer day (northern hemisphere), some SSE2 instructions that seem to really push cpus to the edge and a less than perfect heat sink mount and you’ve got a crash.
By @postcert - 3 months
Kind of seems like both Motherboard and Chip manufacturers are pushing the higher end processors a bit too close to the limit. As easy as it'd be to point at motherboards pushing all-core boosts and bumping power limits and/or boost durations up 50%+, these 13/14 gen chips also act up (though less often) on Workstation/Server boards.

My recent AMD build (5950x) also had a similar high-end part instability where it would lock up under Linux when downclocking to a very low idle. Replaced the processor but it still needed a small voltage bump to keep stable.

By @henriquez - 3 months
I’d be curious if these were predominantly mobile or desktop i9s. I have an i9 laptop that regularly runs at 100 degrees Celsius which is supposedly “safe” for these chips but it doesn’t really feel safe when it touches my skin. I’ve experienced firsthand many laptops with thermal issues and just wonder if Intel is spec’ing these too high to win benchmark wars at the cost of stability.

Although if it’s just Warframe crashing perhaps the software itself isn’t well optimized for Intel’s big/little core setup on the newer 13th and 14th generation chips (performance and efficiency cores - supposed to be handled by the OS but with gaming all bets are off)

By @whatwhaaaaat - 3 months
it says i7s too in the damn title. It’s 13th and 14th gen
By @iforgotpassword - 3 months
Wendell from level1techs made a detailed video about this recently.

Tldr: it's the high-end chips from 13th and 14th Gen specifically. Also the bit at the end about support costs increasing 10x for those platforms really shows how bad this seems to be.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzHcrbT5D_Y

By @icf80 - 3 months
This looks like general memory corruption generated by the CPU.
By @unixhero - 3 months
Probably hyper threading related or energy throttling related.
By @jeffreygoesto - 3 months
Maybe ask Francois of he remembers what he optimized a little bit too much?