July 16th, 2024

Mystery as 4k-year-old axe-heads sent to museum

Two 4,000-year-old axe-heads were sent anonymously to the National Museum of Ireland, sparking interest in their origin. The museum emphasizes the importance of reporting archaeological finds and preserving heritage.

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Mystery as 4k-year-old axe-heads sent to museum

Two 4,000-year-old axe-heads were anonymously sent to the National Museum of Ireland, described as a significant archaeological find. The sender, who discovered the items in County Westmeath using a metal detector, expressed a desire for the artefacts to be conserved by the museum. However, the letter did not provide specific details about their origin, prompting the museum to appeal for more information to understand the context of the discovery. The museum reminded the public of the legal restrictions on metal detecting in Ireland to protect the archaeological heritage. The artefacts, estimated to date back to 2150-2000 BC, were carefully packaged in a flapjack box and foam cut-outs for safe delivery. The museum emphasized the importance of reporting archaeological discoveries and preserving such treasures for the state. This incident echoes a similar event in 2016 when Bronze Age axes and Viking jewelry were sent anonymously to the museum.

AI: What people are saying
The article about the anonymous donation of 4,000-year-old axe-heads to the National Museum of Ireland has sparked a discussion on various aspects of the situation.
  • Many commenters criticize the strict laws and heavy fines associated with metal detecting in Ireland, suggesting these laws discourage people from reporting archaeological finds.
  • Some speculate that the anonymous sender might be a landowner or someone who found the items accidentally and wanted to avoid legal trouble.
  • There is a discussion about the potential for a more balanced approach, such as permits or licenses for metal detecting, to encourage reporting while preserving heritage.
  • Commenters also express skepticism about the museum's promise of confidentiality, fearing that the sender's identity might eventually be disclosed.
  • Some comments humorously speculate on the origins and potential stories behind the axe-heads, including fictional scenarios.
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By @rdtsc - 4 months
> Those convicted of the offence can face a fine ranging to more than €63,000 (£53,000). They can also be sentenced to up to three months in prison

> However, appealing to the sender to get back in touch, staff said information about the discovery of the axe-heads would be "treated with the utmost confidentiality and used solely to verify the find location and its circumstances".

Says the current administration until someone else replaces them or someone eager to see justice served from the law enforcement forces them to disclose their source.

By @Connector2542 - 4 months
> It is illegal to use a metal detector to search for archaeological objects anywhere in the Republic of Ireland, unless you have written permission from the government. > Those convicted of the offence can face a fine ranging to more than €63,000 (£53,000).

No wonder they donated anonymously, what an insane law.

By @c-linkage - 4 months
My head-cannon is that both sets of artifacts reported in the story were sent in by the same person. The dude just loves metal detecting and he won't be stopped! And it's better to preserve the finds anonymously rather than face stiff penalties.

EDIT: Shout-Out for metal detecting in the UK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detectorists

By @nu11ptr - 4 months
Wow, I can't imagine why the person sent these anonymously, lol.

Them to Sender: "Where did you get these from? It is very important!"

Them to Public: "We want to remind everyone that metal detecting for something like this is illegal and will be fined!"

Also Them to Sender: "Oh...err...but we won't apply that to you!" wink wink

By @blowski - 4 months
At a guess, a landowner doesn't want archaeologists forcing their way in to dig up their garden and place restrictions on future works on the property.
By @bell-cot - 4 months
> It is illegal to use a metal detector to search for archaeological objects anywhere in the Republic of Ireland, unless you have written permission from the government.

So if you were (say) digging some footings for your new garden shed, found the items, and didn't much trust law enforcement - but were, in abstract, a patriotic sort, who wanted to do the right thing...

True story: A friend of mine was digging foundations for a new shed in the back yard of a house he owned - and discovered human bones. Police got involved, and it was a big, big PITA. Even though experts from the local university pronounced "the remains were buried over a century ago; the victim appears to have died of infectious disease". And my friend had bought the house (from an unrelated party) just a few decades prior. And the house had been used as a hospital a century or so earlier, when "bury the paupers in the back yard" could easily be tiny-hospital SOP during an epidemic.

By @Aardwolf - 4 months
> It is illegal to use a metal detector to search for archaeological objects anywhere in the Republic of Ireland, unless you have written permission from the government.

What if you use it to search for non-archaeological objects, but then accidentally find one?

Not surprising they receive anonymous donations without information if they treat finders like that.

By @janpmz - 4 months
I wonder how they know the axe-heads are 4k years old. Carbon dating tells them how old the material is, but how do they know when the head was formed into an axe? The same goes for cave paintings. They can date how old the paint is, but how do they know when it was painted?
By @Workaccount2 - 4 months
It looks to me that if the museum really wants all the details, they will have to pay $60k (or $60k x 2?) in order to get them.
By @eggy - 4 months
The law says it is illegal "to use a detection device to search for archaeological objects anywhere within the State or its territorial seas; without the prior written consent of the Minister for Culture, Heritage and the Gaeltacht"

What if you are searching for gold, lost items, underground cables, or other, and you stumble upon an archaeological object? You were not hunting those objects, so I would say you were within the law. What you do with the fortuitous find is another matter (IANAL).

My brother and I were the first to buy a house in our immediate family. My Uncle Vic was the first to say you never really own your house or land. You pay property taxes after you have paid off your house. Your land can be taken with little compensation in some matters, etc. I can see why you would be happy and worried at the same time discovering artifacts whether you were looking for them or not.

By @flerchin - 4 months
A classic example of a 2nd order effect.
By @egberts1 - 4 months
Screw the crying pleas of museums and archeologists for more locale information, for with an oppressive law with HUGE disincentive to self-report accidental finds of seemingly archeological object that can knock out a good portion of your own precious land usage, there is nothing to be gained by outing yourself.

Now, if there were ample of compensations, then it becomes tenable and possibly fairer.

You should pass on this brand of British & Wales “presumptive justice” until they treat their citizen (as well as their jailed subpostmasters) better.

By @esel2k - 4 months
We don’t want that people use metal detectors to find archeological material but we want to find archeological material and know everything about it.

Maybe there is a way to deal with it? With licenses/permits including training and a ban on reselling?

By @elzbardico - 4 months
It is a really stupid law, and I hope the object finder don't fall in the trap of revealling her/his identity before a formal waiver of criminal persecution is issued by the competent authorities.
By @INTPenis - 4 months
Probably found in someone's back garden, or they would have sent an equally anonymous note on where they were found. Prison is a harsh deterrent to most people.
By @nasvay_factory - 4 months
what a chad! just finds a really old thing and sends it to a local museum anonymously. i would've done the same.
By @PenguinCoder - 4 months
If real life was a movie, I'd say those likely contain some ancient poison or virus that out ancestors used against alien invasion, and won against. They're surfaced now as a plot device for when we get invaded again (soon) and we find out our only hope is recreating that exact poison. Timely...
By @chairmanwow1 - 4 months
Yeah this is what a $60k fine gets you. It’s a silly law to try and prevent metal detecting.
By @myspeed - 4 months
It can be also a smuggled item from elsewhere.
By @neontomo - 4 months
is there no way to verify where the package was sent from? not the address, but the specific post office that handled it?
By @pbj1968 - 4 months
$60,000 fine… who can imagine why these were anonymously donated… probably dug them up in his backyard
By @23B1 - 4 months
The cognitive dissonance on display.

The nanny state is allergic to common sense.