Unconditional Cash Study: first findings available
The Unconditional Cash Study by OpenResearch found that cash transfers increased healthcare use, reduced problematic drinking, boosted spending on basic needs, but slightly lowered employment and income. Recipients gained decision-making power and mobility.
Read original articleThe Unconditional Cash Study conducted by OpenResearch aimed to understand the impact of unconditional cash transfers on participants. Findings showed an increase in healthcare utilization, with recipients spending more on medical care and reporting a decrease in problematic drinking. Recipients also increased their overall spending on basic needs and support to others, with the largest effects seen in food, rent, and transportation. The study revealed that while cash transfers provided recipients with more agency to make decisions aligned with their circumstances, goals, and values, there were modest decreases in employment and income. Additionally, the cash transfers increased recipients' ability to move housing units and neighborhoods. The study timeline included various phases from enrollment to the end of cash transfer payments, coinciding with significant policy and economic trends such as stimulus checks, eviction moratoriums, and fluctuations in unemployment and inflation rates.
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Sam Altman's basic-income study by OpenAI provided $1,000/month to low-income participants for 3 years. Funds were used for essentials, reducing initial stress but not addressing complex challenges. Recipients showed increased agency but no direct health improvements. Employment rates declined over time.
- Many commenters are concerned about the potential for inflation and price increases, particularly in housing and basic goods, if UBI were implemented universally.
- Some argue that the study's results are not significant enough to justify the high costs of UBI, suggesting that other forms of public assistance might be more effective.
- There is skepticism about the scalability of the study's findings, with doubts about whether small-scale results can be extrapolated to a national level.
- Several comments highlight the need for additional measures, such as price regulation or improved social services, to complement UBI and prevent negative economic impacts.
- Some commenters express ideological opposition to UBI, viewing it as a form of dependency or a flawed economic policy.
It's not enough for a real tuition or to support them to study instead of work.
I don't think we've ever had a universal basic income test. We have always missed the universal and basic part. It's below basic and not at all universal.
I suspect that you need to get international cooperation and a more sophisticated form of money and resource tracking for a real UBI to be feasible.
One result they are missing out is that the income actually reduced overall employment compared to the control group, and ended up decreasing household earnings: https://www.nber.org/papers/w32719
Even with a generous reading, it was an extremely expensive study. And similar proposals like the Negative Income Tax would cost far less money and have none of the presented downsides.
Once you give everybody an extra $12000 a year, the median income is now $12000 higher. I'm sure there's still some benefit, but relative to others their position hasn't changed. Someone who's yearly income is in the 5th percentile is still earning in the 5th percentile.
I'm concerned about a situation similar to college tuition in the US where easy, risk free money leads to price gouging. Once everyone has an extra $XXXXX how quickly does the market realize that the cost of goods can be raised by that amount.
Note that this was a time-limited study where participants knew they would only receive money for 3 years. Personally, I feel like this leads to different behaviors than if people believe they will receive the income indefinitely.
The paper's abstract:
> We study the causal impacts of income on a rich array of employment outcomes, leverag-ing an experiment in which 1,000 low-income individuals were randomized into receiving $1,000 per month unconditionally for three years, with a control group of 2,000 participants receiving $50/month. We gather detailed survey data, administrative records, and data from a custom mobile phone app. The transfer caused total individual income to fall by about $1,500/year relative to the control group, excluding the transfers. The program resulted in a 2.0 percentage point decrease in labor market participation for participants and a 1.3-1.4 hour per week reduction in labor hours, with participants’ partners reducing their hours worked by a comparable amount. The transfer generated the largest increases in time spent on leisure, as well as smaller increases in time spent in other activities such as transportation and finances. Despite asking detailed questions about amenities, we find no impact on quality of employment, and our confidence intervals can rule out even small improvements. We observe no significant effects on investments in human capital, though younger participants may pursue more formal education. Overall, our results suggest a moderate labor supply effect that does not appear offset by other productive activities.
[0] https://x.com/Afinetheorem/status/1815413121822896270
[1]https://www.openresearchlab.org/findings/nber-working-paper-...
Everyone needs somewhere to live. Everyone wants to live closer to where they work and where there friends and family are. Housing is in limited supply. If everyone had more purchasing power, then everyone's going to collectively bid up what they're willing to pay for housing simply because they can.
No impact on health. Biggest spending beverages. Slightly less time spent working. Some people start budgeting (presumably to figure out how to spend the money). And black people start businesses.
There are 300M people in the US. Giving 1k to each every month is 3.6T a year. And the effects are miniscule. With 3.6T you could do a lot of things. Just reversing the trend of obesity would be a major improvement for the lives of millions.
https://www.who.int/tools/elena/review-summaries/cash-transf...
https://epar.evans.uw.edu/blog/long-term-impacts-cash-transf....
Also UBI is funded by taxes, which if applied to middle class they will vote against you. And if applied to companies, they push it down on the customer, making everything cost more (and therefore negating the UBI effect).
What probably would be more effective for society would be improved an ACA, a cap on healthcare costs for all if you will and free yearly health checkups.
Consider the assertion “Cash is one important piece of the puzzle. The impact may be limited without other resources like health care and child care.” This is paradoxically spot-on in highlighting that money in of itself doesn’t create value, people create value for one another. Taking people out of an underperforming value stream by injecting cash is like confusing palliative and restorative care. Pain meds can keep a person limping along, and it is great as a bridge to get to a cure, but long term use has risks.
As an alternative, I would advocate for a government (or other org) facilitation of people strengthening the streams of value between themselves. This doesn’t rule out a cash distribution based on increased taxes, but would focus more on enlisting community cooperation.
One might look at wealthy people as tax cows to be milked or as people who have insights into how value is created. Instead of creating an adversarial relationship of tax avoidance, create a mutually beneficial relationship of opportunities to give and serve.
The most successful wealthy people serve large orgs in boards of directors. What if there was a similar set of local boards that guided a grant or a loan program for life transformation in the way that student loans or GI Bill works but with an explicit stipulation (as opposed to the implicit stipulation of education) of how the funding would be used to create a better life well after the funding is complete?
> "The transfer caused total individual income to fall by about $1,500/year relative to the control group, excluding the transfers. The program resulted in a 2.0 percentage point decrease in labor market participation for participants and a 1.3-1.4 hour per week reduction in labor hours, with participants’ partners reducing their hours worked by a comparable amount. The transfer generated the largest increases in time spent on leisure, as well as smaller increases in time spent in other activities such as transportation and finances."
> "Despite asking detailed questions about amenities, we find no impact on quality of employment, and our confidence intervals can rule out even small improvements. We observe no significant effects on investments in human capital, though younger participants may pursue more formal education."
> "Overall, our results suggest a moderate labor supply effect that does not appear offset by other productive activities."
Regulating prices will have unintended consequences (outside of a specific set of goods).
Perhaps the Govt needs to take over the provisioning of these basics (production and distribution) and anything outside the basics will be market driven.
I know this has been tried in the past and has failed miserably. But, we now have better ways to track these things. So, maybe time to give it another try?
Ikigai, or purpose, is a Japanese concept dating back to the Heian period in Japan. The Japanese word “iki” translates to life. Additionally, the “gai” portion of the word comes from the word “kai” meaning shell.
Beyond basic needs, Homo Sapiens in their current incarnation need some kind of meaning or purpose in life. Some folks can find this internally, other folks need to operate in an externally imposed value-structure to have meaning.I'm not sure that UBI actually addresses this, and may be counter productive.
But even my dumb self makes the correlation that in 2020/2021, we handed out free money to keep people afloat (a very good thing), and then immediately following there was a surge in inflation.
So I guess I don't understand, how do you give out free money without devaluing the currency? Am I making an incorrect correlation between the stimulus checks and the subsequent inflation? Again, I don't know anything about this topic and I think the stimulus checks were a good idea that kept a lot of people afloat, but was that not the cause of the subsequent inflation?
They’re not the only ones. Remember Green New Deal? That also evaporated with the end of ZIRP.
You can complain relentlessly about these guys, or offer alternative solution with nothing but vibes to vouch for them. The truth is, as long as interest rates are high, the economic contraction is making everyone too scared to try anything in case things “get worse.” Sadly, the best time to make great social change was between 2009 and 2022 and it’s officially over now.
Also https://www.businessinsider.com/sam-altman-basic-income-stud... (via https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41037226, but we merged the comments hither)
Yes, poor tend to be unable to retain money, they spend. Spending means someone else get money from them. So those with a basic income can spend more, making local economy a bit better and still making their life a bit better.
Remember a neglect thing: money are unit of measure of various substrate, not a value per se. Exchanging money means moving something else.
After seeing the system in use, I think it would be best if general relief type programs like you have in California, do not allow cash withdrawals. It is a factor in the ongoing fentanyl crisis. The pattern of behavior is enabled by the free cash.
Instead a debit card that can be used anywhere except for cash is ideal. While many use the money for necessary things this is a factor in what is seen in inner cities.
And also that if it was only given to some at a sliding scale, it is not universal.
It seems that more affluent are way more irresponsible with their money than poorer people.
Forget Universal Basic Income, give me Universal Basic Housing.
No US citizen should be homeless, or feel like they could become homeless if they lose their job.
It's like those flat-earth people who did that experiment with the extremely sensitive gyroscope that proved that the earth was rotating and spherical; and were caught on recording saying "well, we clearly cannot accept that" and I think eventually simply deliberately ignored and suppressed it from their minds.
Do not ever underestimate certain human's capacity for self-delusion.
The bigger problem though is that this UBI cult is very authoritarian and tyrannical at its core, consistently increasing the insistence that they must take and use ever increasing amounts of other people's money to prove that UBI works, coincidentally making the researchers and the common NGO types scam artist operatives huge amounts of money in the process.
UBI is simply a con job, a fraud, a lie, theft, and even slavery ... theft of resources and services against their will and under threat of violence and harm in order to support the lives and livelihoods of others.
You want UBI? Great, sign up to have your income taxed to pay for it.
It wasn't like that earlier, but at some point all the farmer families' wives applied for unemployment benefits...
My current lens is that UBI ultimately inflates prices leaving everyone back where they were before. The problem with openresarchlab's test is it's limited scope. It did increase the spending power of a particular group because the prices around them did not increase.
If everyone has more money the "open market" raises prices to simply meet that. The root problem is non-limited capitalism? The price of basic goods cannot be allowed to rise vs cash on hand.
I do believe UBI's ultimate goal is to increase "spending power", but simply giving money doesn't change the problem long term and thus UBI is doomed to fail in its current form.
Why does this group of people that are not historically known for their generosity or their sympathy for the unworking poor suddenly want to give everyone a little bit of money for nothing?
In my mind, it is to create a permanent underclass. A group of people with just enough money to survive but not enough to participate in the world of the elites (or even the middle class). This underclass will represent a massive user base for the products and services that the VC class wants to sell. And they’ll be stuck there, and easier to target than ever.
My boomer dad got a job right out of high school, with only a diploma, and was able to purchase a house and support my then-stay-at-home mother within 3 months of starting work. That is simply unheard of now. And it's not because people don't have jobs.
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