July 23rd, 2024

America’s Transit Exceptionalism

America lags in advanced transit systems compared to global cities like Istanbul, London, Seoul, and Vienna. Lack of significant transit construction in major U.S. cities raises concerns about the country's transit development.

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America’s Transit Exceptionalism

The article discusses America's lag in developing advanced transit systems compared to other countries like Istanbul, London, Seoul, and Vienna. It highlights the efficiency and innovation seen in global transit projects, emphasizing the benefits of high-quality transit in reducing congestion, speeding up travel, and cutting emissions. The piece points out the lack of significant transit construction in major U.S. cities like New York, San Francisco, and Washington, D.C., with only Los Angeles and Seattle showing promising development plans. The author questions why the U.S. struggles to build quality transit and suggests that incremental upgrades may not be sufficient given the vast disparity with other nations. The article concludes by stressing the importance of acknowledging this transit gap to avoid normalizing America's subpar transit infrastructure.

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By @Animats - 4 months
It's a book ad. He never answers his own question, just pitches his book.

"This is one of the central questions underpinning this newsletter and my book."

By @pdabbadabba - 4 months
> These are the statistics underlying the reality that in San Francisco, Washington, D.C., Boston, Atlanta, and many other major cities in the U.S., not a single mile of rail transit is currently under construction.

Not true. In DC, the Purple Line is currently under construction to connect DC's Maryland suburbs to one another. (OK. This is technically just over the border in Maryland, but it is clearly part of the DC metro area and it interconnects with lines in the District proper.) And DC just finished (in November) adding another new line, the Silver Line, out to Dulles Airport and some of the further flung Virginia suburbs. (Similarly, I think a major project was completed in San Francisco last year.) And isn't the K under construction in LA? And what about East Side Access in New York? And the Skyline in Honolulu? I'm sure another 2 minutes of Googling could uncover more examples.

The general story might be true — cthet ities outside the U.S. are investing more in rail infrastructure — but this makes me question the research. The metric "mile of transit" is also probably misleading. Many U.S.cities (though not enough) already have robust mass transit systems. The primarily challenge in many places is therefore not just to build new lines, but to expand the use of what is already there. (A particular challenge after Covid wiped out ridership.)

By @ineedaj0b - 4 months
The rail situation in California is so bad, the company in charge of building rail packed up and moved to Africa - because they thought they’d have better luck there.
By @standardUser - 4 months
I'm a huge proponent of building more rail of all kinds, but in the end we have to accept that traditional public transit options can only solve part of the problem. For the low and medium density parts of this country we should leverage the infrastructure we already have, which is a comprehensive road system. Automated shuttles and taxis remove the most expensive and dangerous part of driving - the human driver - and they already have all the infrastructure they require. I see it as only a matter of time before automated transit services on public roads outnumber individual drivers.
By @ProfessorLayton - 4 months
The article makes some questionable statements. BART is building more miles of its network extending to downtown San Jose. It also refers to it as San Francisco's metro, but that's certainly not the case (That would be MUNI), and that fact is stated right in its name: Bay Area Rapid Transit.

This distinction isn't some pedantry, because BART is funded by the many counties it serves, not just SF. Those counties are on the board and get a say on where it extends to as well.

By @treflop - 4 months
How come no one ever looks at population density?

US cities have very low density compared to other cities in other countries.

New York is the exception, and their transit isn't that bad. But it's still lower than other major cities.

By @akira2501 - 4 months
Italy and Spain, in particular, do not care about the quality of ridership on their metro lines outside of tourist heavy areas. So, if you plan to ride the train, in particular if you are alone, have a plan to deal with pick pockets and gropers.

No one ever really addresses this trade off.

By @flerchin - 4 months
Is the graph showing that only China and South Korea are actively growing their rail networks? It kinda looks like that. Also apparently Istanbul has a train under the Bosporus.
By @ijidak - 4 months
I was in Istanbul last year. Didn't see these wonders he mentioned.

The subways seemed to be closer in quality to a NYC than a London.

Very capable, but didn't seem cutting edge.

By @itronitron - 4 months
Personally, I prefer trams. You can see the buildings and the stops are typically closer to your destination.
By @inglor_cz - 4 months
Yeah, I am somewhat baffled that the city I live in (Ostrava), a rust-belt city which lost 15 % of its population since 1990 (and a nontrivial share of that loss were high earners who moved to adjacent suburbia, taking their tax money with them), somehow has much cleaner, nicer and safer public transport than the richest metropolitan areas of the US, with their massive GDP advantage.

The passengers may be a bit uncouth (the upper half of the society tends to drive here instead of riding public transport), but the system is still unflinchingly reliable and comfortable.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELtfOekhkcw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMMnSwZWmKw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKRrzgDIwgo

By @m3kw9 - 4 months
America loves urban sprawl, so cars it is.
By @shmerl - 4 months
> There’s no easy answer, though there is a growing consensus around certain factors that are holding America’s transit systems back. In a future post, I’ll describe these factors in depth.

So what are these factors?

By @bitmasher9 - 4 months
> High-quality transit is the only way to facilitate upward growth without causing unbearable amounts of congestion. It’s the only way to speed up trips through crowded neighborhoods

This is the primary reason why. Subways/rail is fantastic for dense cities. The US is much less dense than the rest of the world. So we don’t feel the need for subways. Seattle and LA care about this, so they are expanding. Seattle is geographically limited and can pretty much only expand up. LA doesn’t have the same geographic limitations, but it becoming the first city to maximize the amount of sprawl available. As other regions lose their ability to sprawl and are forced to expand up we’ll see more US regions build subways.

By @User2273 - 4 months
It's always funny how people like this start from the assumption that Americans want mass transit, such as this.

Take a look around - I don't want my tax dollars spent on a transit project full of graft in NY. It's really that simple. And I don't want mass transit where I live.

This also belies the writer's condescension and hubris. I've been on many city mass transit systems, in the US and abroad, contrary to the story posted here, they aren't all "like star trek to (ignorant) Americans".

Spare me.

By @rdlecler1 - 4 months
Do driverless cars make all this moot?
By @Animats - 4 months
San Francisco just built a short subway to Chinatown. Not quite clear why.

SF's Chinatown is stuck in the 1950s. It's not modern China. No black-glass skyscrapers in exotic shapes. No outposts of Shenzhen manufacturers. It's mostly a retirement village.

By @jmyeet - 4 months
I agree with other commenters: it's not "the rest of the world". It's China.

For regional transit, China's high speed rail buildout [1] is truly breathtaking. If you look at the miles of track [2], China has 45000km with 25000km under construction. Number 2 on the list is Spain (with 4000 and 1000 respectively).

For urban transit, China again completely dominates [3] by like a factor of 6-7 to #2. The US actually fares better here bu that's skewed by a handful of outliers, most notably NYC.

It makes me so mad because of the concerted effort made to dismantle and derail (pun intended) public transit efforts in the United States. The Koch brothers (well, brother) spend a fortune fighting these projects [4]. Elon Musk famously only propsosed the Hyperloop in the hopes of killing the California High Speed Rail ("HSR") [5].

Look at Las Vegas, a huge tourist destination. What Las Vegas actually needs is a subway line between the airport and the major Strip hotels. This would require probably less than 20 miles of tunnels. It could even be a mix of light rail in the suburbs and to the airport and tunnels under the Strip. You could extend it to key parts of Las Vegas to include all the people that need to work on the Strip through Park and Ride stations. It would be incredibly cheap for the benefit.

But instead we got the idiotic Tesla tunnels by The Boring Company, which I'm convinced was only proposed to kill the idea of any public transit infrastructure in Las Vegas.

It's all so short-sighted because public transit scales and it would make life easier for anyone who actually wants or needs to drive. But instead we get idiotic infrastructure like the Katy Freeway in Houston [6].

[1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/xszhbm/chinese_hig...

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_high-speed_railway_lin...

[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_metro_systems#List_by_...

[4]: https://archive.is/UFujh

[5]: https://twitter.com/parismarx/status/1571628269555826688

[6]: https://b93.net/widest-freeway-in-the-united-states-is-in-te...

By @kazinator - 4 months
Why would Americans need subways? Silicon Valley bros got their back. Uber, Lyft, Waymo, ...
By @revscat - 4 months
It is helpful to remember that America is the world’s largest petrostate.
By @AcerbicZero - 4 months
Hmmmmmmmm the places where riding the subway means obeying social norms, continue to build subways. The places where riding the subway does not require any social norms be obeyed, have stopped.
By @dr_dshiv - 4 months
What’s the status on the Boring company? That seemed promising. But I recognize that, in America, the issue is not a lack of technology but rather the political will.
By @kkfx - 4 months
Well, I'm from EU and I think the article's claim is exaggerated, beside that metros are good to move people in a dense city, but they are economically untenable, of course with public subsidies in abundance they operate, but that's still some absurd as absurd are dense cities in the modern, present world.

So well, if USA invest less in metros is a very good thing for them. It's about time to massively understand that dense cities are needed now ONLY BY FINANCE capitalism to rule over gazillion of people owing nothing, tied to their services, but it's a nightmare for everyone else, environment included since they consume an enormous amount of resources, much more NOW than spread homes (modern buildings and modern homes, with energy performances, anti-seismic design, fire safety, HVAC etc) and can't evolve while being a big on-ground thermal mass to be heated by the Sun much more than spread green areas.

By @cyberax - 4 months
Public transit sucks. It has always sucked. And it's necessary if you want dense cities.

The fix? Don't do dense cities. 80-85% of the US population prefers single-family houses to apartments.

We need to promote remote work and BUILD NEW SPARSE HOUSING. Do not do the nonsense "upzoning", instead build new suburbs.

Remote work can be promoted by giving tax breaks for remote positions or by taxing dense office space.

By @big-green-man - 4 months
The US has a fantastic transit system, for rural areas, independent movers, and to move massive distances in short periods of time. Highways and cars, and passenger airplanes are fantastic. Just the other day the president went from Las Vegas to DC in under 4 hours, for anyone who is unaware how impressive that is that's like going from London to Cairo. If you need to be able to move around freely unscheduled, need to be able to go basically anywhere in north america, even remote places, or need to go far fast, you can't beat the US.

Unless you live in an urban or suburban area. I agree with the author particularly about densely populated areas, the US is not just lacking, it is basically undeveloped. If I were inclined to live in such a place, I would pick a foreign city over the US. The congestion is probably the number one factor for me in deciding not to, although it isn't the only factor. There is not one single good reason why, if you live in a tightly packed place, you cannot get around your immediate environment with just the shoes on your feet. Especially considering that such places are supposedly designed exclusively for human habitation. It is downright shameful.

By @nemo44x - 4 months
In America most everyone can afford a car and most families have many and the roads are generally excellent. People have large homes single family and prefer less density and the country is more than large enough to support this. Most people don't want to live in cramped quarters, on top of each other, and having to take mass transit. Not everyone wants a NYC lifestyle. I can't understand why a small minority of people are so intent on convincing people that living in stacked boxes with a walls separation to whoever, with communal spaces for outdoor space, and mass transit, is a better life.

I think globally nearly everyone would prefer to have a single family home with a private yard and with automobiles for getting around in most cases. I'd agree train access into the big city for a day out is nice. But most "big cities" aren't big enough or dense enough to require them.