August 6th, 2024

Launch HN: Firezone (YC W22) – Zero-trust access platform built on WireGuard

Jamil Bou Kheir's Firezone is a remote access platform using WireGuard to enhance security for remote work, simplifying access control and deployment while addressing traditional VPN limitations.

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Launch HN: Firezone (YC W22) – Zero-trust access platform built on WireGuard

Jamil Bou Kheir, the founder of Firezone, introduces a remote access platform designed to replace traditional corporate VPNs. Firezone utilizes WireGuard, a modern VPN protocol, to secure applications, networks, and services through access policies linked to identity providers. The platform allows for the deployment of small, self-contained binaries in various infrastructures, enabling remote workers to access protected resources via client apps. The traditional VPN model, which relies on a single perimeter for security, has become less effective as remote work and cloud resources have increased. Bou Kheir shares his experience with security challenges at Cisco, where malware spread from remote laptops to internal systems, highlighting the limitations of conventional firewalls and VPNs. Firezone addresses these issues by creating multiple smaller perimeters closer to resources, allowing for lightweight WireGuard tunnels that can handle thousands of connections. The system features a simple access control model to avoid complexity as the number of perimeters increases. Bou Kheir acknowledges the need for improvements in the user interface and user experience, emphasizing that Firezone is built by engineers for engineers. Users can try Firezone without signing up and access demo instances and client downloads through the provided links.

- Firezone is a remote access platform that replaces traditional corporate VPNs.

- It uses WireGuard for lightweight, secure connections and simplifies access control.

- The platform addresses security challenges posed by remote work and cloud resources.

- Firezone allows for easy deployment of access gateways in various infrastructures.

- The team is working on enhancing the user interface and experience.

AI: What people are saying
The comments on Jamil Bou Kheir's Firezone highlight several key themes and points of discussion regarding the remote access platform.
  • Users appreciate Firezone's use of WireGuard and its open-source nature, contrasting it with proprietary alternatives like Tailscale.
  • There are inquiries about how Firezone competes with established products like WARP, Cisco AnyConnect, and Zscaler.
  • Some users express concerns about the trust model of zero trust solutions and the potential risks involved.
  • Feedback suggests improvements in product demonstrations and marketing strategies to enhance user engagement.
  • Users share personal experiences and challenges with traditional VPNs, indicating a demand for better management of network connections.
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By @jkelleyrtp - 4 months
Hey! I worked on WARP at Cloudflare. I believe Cisco has anyconnect and then there's zscaler.

I'm curious how you guys are competing with the other folks in the space. WARP was/is a really tough product to maintain (crossplatform networking is very difficult). CF was doing well with WARP mostly due to the distribution advantage. I imagine it's harder for startups to break into the space.

By @gchamonlive - 4 months
At my last job, I implemented Firezone on AWS and it worked like a charm.

It was before the refactoring and the move to zero trust, so back then it was a simple admin panel. It was maybe mid 2022 I implemented it.

There was a terraform module I created for setting up the basic infrastructure, but there is no way the module supports the current state of the product. I guess it moved way quicker than I was able to follow LOL. The module was accepted in the Firezone group but later discontinued, for obvious reasons. I wish I had the time to contribute to the project supporting an official module for it, but I guess life happens to everyone haha

Good luck with the project! This is really good and very needed, the only other alternative being Tailscale, which is all closed source.

By @xyst - 4 months
Wow, a product that hasn’t shoehorned AI/LLM into their offerings. Will be following.

Love that you are using rust!

By @igorguerrero - 4 months
We use it a work, didn't know you guys were fresh in the biz, our dev ops guy switched us to you guys, I had no problem, I love that it uses wireguard, our previous provider was a PITA :)
By @jimmar - 4 months
In the spirit of constructive feedback, spend the time and effort to record your product demonstrations in a more professional environment. Or generate a fake background at a minimum.
By @cedws - 4 months
I'm a big fan of Tailscale but it's unfortunate that it's proprietary, so it's really nice to see an open source alternative. The commercial pricing also looks very reasonable. Wishing your product much success.
By @nmadden - 4 months
I don’t really get the threat model of these “zero trust” appliances and how they are really different from a VPN. Can someone explain it to me? It still looks very much like a perimeter.
By @mwest217 - 4 months
How does this compare with e.g. Tailscale?
By @phil-martin - 4 months
One of the pain points I’ve experienced with configuration of traditional VPNs is when devices physically connect to different parts of the network when staff travel between home and different offices.

For a small example, when working from home, we want to connect to SMB shares over the vpn, with regular traffic going over the regular LAN interface of the computer. When the same person comes into the main office, just use the LAN. The simplest solution is to teach users to make sure they turn their VPN off when in the office, but that’s a super easy step to forget.

Could Firezone help managing these quality-of-life details for end users?

By @computershit - 4 months
Impressive work, congrats on the launch! Aside from the OSS perspective, how would you compare your service to Twingate?
By @ochronus - 4 months
It's really exciting to see this space bloom! Congrats on the launch!
By @chetanbhasin - 4 months
Since you're directly competing with Tailscale, you have to compare the websites. The landing pages and documentation are waaay nicer, IMHO.

I see the difference though. Tailscale goes with "secure this and that." It appears to attract people who don't already use a VPN, while you compare it straight to a VPN, which may be more enterprise crowd.

I'm not sure what your exact market is, but for a young startup at the very least, Tailscale marketing and UX appears a lot nicer.

By @aos - 4 months
Congrats on the launch! Will definitely have to check it out. I see you’re using Phoenix/Liveview for the control plane. :-) How has that been working for you?
By @taekwondo123 - 4 months
The concern I have with these types of solutions (meaning Tailscale, Firezone, etc.), is that I need to trust the provider not to mess up or maliciously exchange keys with rouge devices. Is this the case with Firezone as well?

I see that tailscale addresses this now somewhat: https://tailscale.com/kb/1226/tailnet-lock

By @somepleb - 4 months
Awesome to see so many solutions in this space and the rapid development. Do you plan to add mesh networking?
By @altdataseller - 4 months
Not a comment on the actual product but did you use a specific template or stack on the app you show in the demo?
By @aborsy - 4 months
Tailscale does these things, and does them very well. We have been pretty happy with it.