August 12th, 2024

Deals with the Devil Aren't What They Used to Be

Ed Simon's book "Devil’s Contract" examines the Faustian bargain's history, reflecting societal anxieties about knowledge, power, and morality, while warning against the dangers of immediate gratification and spiritual compromise.

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Deals with the Devil Aren't What They Used to Be

the world was not their own, but a temporary holding place for the soul,” the Faustian bargain served as a cautionary tale against the allure of immediate pleasures and knowledge. Ed Simon's new book, "Devil’s Contract: The History of the Faustian Bargain," delves into the evolution of this myth, highlighting its role in reflecting societal anxieties and desires across different eras. The Faustian narrative, which often involves a character trading their soul for worldly gains, serves as a metaphor for the tension between spiritual integrity and earthly temptation. Simon traces the origins of these tales back to biblical stories, such as that of Simon Magus and the temptation of Christ, illustrating how they encapsulate themes of knowledge, power, and the moral consequences of one's choices. The Faustian myth has historically provided a framework for understanding the complexities of human desire and the moral implications of seeking freedom through forbidden knowledge. Ultimately, Simon's exploration reveals that the Faustian bargain is not merely a tale of individual folly but a reflection of broader cultural struggles with faith, temptation, and the nature of good and evil.

- Ed Simon's book explores the history and implications of the Faustian bargain.

- The Faustian myth reflects societal anxieties about knowledge, power, and morality.

- Biblical stories serve as early examples of Faustian themes.

- The narrative warns against the dangers of seeking immediate gratification at the expense of spiritual integrity.

- The Faustian tale is a cultural lens for examining the tension between individual desires and moral consequences.

AI: What people are saying
The comments on Ed Simon's "Devil’s Contract" reflect diverse perspectives on the themes of Faustian bargains and their implications in modern society.
  • Many commenters discuss the historical context of the Faustian bargain, linking it to societal anxieties about knowledge, power, and morality.
  • Several comments draw parallels between the Faustian theme and contemporary issues, such as technology's role in our lives and the nature of modern contracts.
  • There is a recurring interest in the narrative of deals with the devil, with some sharing personal anecdotes or favorite tales related to the theme.
  • Some commenters express a desire for deeper exploration of related texts, such as the Book of Job, and how they connect to the concept of moral compromise.
  • Discussions also touch on the idea of "remagicalization" in the context of technology, suggesting that advancements can feel like modern magic.
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By @IIAOPSW - 5 months
This was really nice.

I'll just say, it starts out deconstructing the way "magic" in the modern world has given way to "engineering" and thus mythological things like 'deals with the devil' are no longer believed.

But, in my view, a significant part of the appeal of the 'deal with the devil' is that it isn't mysterious. A Faustian bargain works according to exactly the letter of the deal, and the devil always keeps his end of it. Part of what makes it interesting, enticing even, is that it looks like there might be ways to outwit the devil. The devil then is a force of nature to be engineered just like any other branch of engineering in modern times, not an arbitrary fact of life beyond our comprehension.

By @jimhefferon - 5 months
One thing I never understood about dealing with the Devil. When the Devil shows up, it changes the calculus. Now the person knows there is a heaven and hell, etc. What used to be a reasonable decision is now outrageously wrong.
By @throwanem - 5 months
This reads as if the author set out to make a point about modern traditionalism, got distracted with Renaissance literature halfway through, and then gave up on the piece with three or four paragraphs still to write.

It's a shame. Something a little trenchant about the vacuity of "forward unto the past" would've made a better read than this.

By @office_drone - 5 months
By @alejohausner - 5 months
The story of Faust is about the dangers of knowledge and technology. If you know too much, you will eventually lose your soul.

As this book review explains, with the enlightenment and industrial revolution, this fear of knowledge receded. But the myth is still there.

For example, take the "Terminator" movies. They're about the dangers of technology: what if we create machines that are intelligent enough to turn on their creators and seek to destroy them? There is a parallel between gaining forbidden knowledge and making artificial creatures. Today, we are afraid that corporations and governments will use our inventions to control us, but I think that fear has an echo of the old myth that it is dangerous to learn forbidden knowledge, or create artificial life, because that would be entering the realm once reserved for the Almighty.

By @neves - 5 months
I love deals with the Devil. What's your favorite Deal with the Devil tale? Tell me one off the beaten path.

My favorite is the Brazillian "Grande Sertão: Veredas"

By @wsc981 - 5 months
> In these two early stories lie most of the subsequent Faustian motifs: the temptations of knowledge and power; the bargaining away of more distant spiritual gains for nearer material ones; the almost symmetrical rivalry of good and evil forces; the taint of the commercial or contractual bond; the picaresque flights through time and space; even the odd obsession with exciting women called Helen.

In apocryphal Bible texts, it's claimed corrupted angels called "The Watchers" gave humans various technologies, in exchange for their women.

> In the Book of Enoch, the watchers are angels dispatched to Earth to watch over the humans. They soon begin to lust for human women and, at the prodding of their leader Samyaza, defect to illicitly instruct humanity and procreate among them, arriving on a mountain called Hermon. The offspring of these unions are the Nephilim, savage giants who pillage the earth and endanger humanity.

> Samyaza and his associates further taught their human charges arts and technologies such as weaponry, cosmetics, mirrors, sorcery, and other techniques that would otherwise be discovered gradually over time by humans, not foisted upon them all at once. Eventually, God allows a Great Flood to rid the earth of the Nephilim, but first sends Uriel to warn Noah so as not to eradicate the human race. The watchers are bound "in the valleys of the Earth" until Judgment Day (Jude verse 6 says, "And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.").

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watcher_(angel)#Rogue_watchers...

By @niemandhier - 5 months
We are witnessing the beginning of a significant shift in how we perceive the world—a "remagicalization" driven by technological advancements. Technology has progressed to a point where it often feels indistinguishable from magic to many.

In the past, building a radio, the primary tool for real-time information, was within reach of anyone with basic components like wire, a speaker, a capacitor, and a coil. Today, however, technology has become so advanced that it is incomprehensible to most, controlled by experts who can seem like modern-day wizards.

I fully agree with the conclusion of the article.

* We’re all Faustians now. These days [...] we write our contracts not in blood but in silicon—both figuratively, insofar as we sign away our identities and privacies for all the short-term benefits of material ease, and literally, whenever we scroll rapidly through one of those unreadable online contracts, eager only to assent.*

By @cratermoon - 5 months
I disagree. "For most people, life was a business of terrifying external forces and arbitrary powers, both spiritual and legal." Substitute "economic" for "spiritual" and it describes the experiences of the majority in modern societies. To most, searching for a job involves appeasing various inscrutable forces, such as AI resume filtering, HR hoops, and interview questions that might as well be asking about how to cast spells. Employers are arbitrary and capricious entities of enormous power over individuals and with the ability to influence the world in ways the individual has no hope of matching.

We don't call it magic, but there are other incantations for it. The adherents to the True Way of economics and law elevate themselves to positions of power and influence.

By @jmugan - 5 months
This is written for someone with a higher reading level than me. I skimmed the first few paragraphs and have no idea what it is about beyond the title.
By @excalibur - 5 months
> Jesus again rejects material gain, and finally banishes the tempter: Satan is not the real God, because there is only one God; the Devil doesn’t have the best tunes.

Hard disagree. Though playing them on a golden fiddle certainly doesn't help.

By @ranprieur - 5 months
Disenchantment was well underway in the 1600s, and arguably peaked in the 1700s, the Age of Reason, before it was partly undone by Romanticism. The disenchantment narrative goes back at least as far as Chaucer: https://aeon.co/essays/enlightenment-does-not-demand-disench...

If you want to go back the age of magic, try the 900s, or better yet, prehistory.

By @gbjw - 5 months
Great piece, though I do wish there was some more discussion about the Book of Job, in which God Himself makes a deal with the 'accuser' (Satan). The parallels with later 'deal with the devil' stories are numerous. I think it's particularly interesting to note that in Job, 'Satan' must still get permission from God to torment Job, and that, arguably, Job's final redemption rests on God coming down and speaking directly to him.
By @swagasaurus-rex - 5 months
Isn't the faustian bargain a warning against taking money from unscrupulous lenders? The promise of riches, but in the process you lose your freedom (still true for business owners)
By @swayvil - 5 months
"Engineering" reflects the popular way of thinking. So when magic is explained for the popular mind it looks like engineering.
By @southernplaces7 - 5 months
There's no way to see this and not include this neat little Twilight Zone episode.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29sd4IneEm4&pp=ygUZaSBvZiBuZ...

By @motohagiography - 5 months
weird story, I happen to have known the devil quite well. all the things they say about him are true, and that's the uncanny thing. you'd look at this man, slightly too large, objectively not attractive, impossibly clever and disarming, wealthy, seemingly impervious to any known law, known and welcomed everywhere, the exception to every rule and convention, accompanied everywhere by beautiful women, with literal horns on his head, and never once said a dishonest word even for the sake of politeness. Rationally, it was impossible that he could have been the devil, even if he specifically said it, broadcast it, and advertised it in every humanly possible way, the more he told you, the less you believed it, the more you felt like you were in on it. After all, he was harmless and fun, nobody around him ever did anything they didn't want to do. They always chose, they always consented with enthusiasm, and there are thousands of people who would rush to his defence and aid if anyone were to suggest he had ever done anything untoward. He is quite legitimately a great man in this world of men. Even when you knew, how much harm could be done in letting people who are already lost mislead themselves? We are not their keepers. They were having the time of their lives, but without him, their lives were less. He encouraged them up the hedonic treadmill to see how well they swam out of their depth. Decadent nights out became credit card bills, indulgences became needs, flings became transactions, familiarity contempt. They were all my choices as well, and I spent them unwisely, and at some truly astonishing personal cost, because we were spending what we wouldn't miss until it was gone. You couldn't know because you didn't know you were valuable. That was the impossible brilliance of it. I allowed myself to be seduced and misled because that was the whole ride. It's awesome. You can't judge the devil, it doesn't mean anything to him, but you can learn to appreciate and respect him for what he is, it's only a question of what you will pay for that education.

I haven't seen him in many years and it's hard not to miss him, but with some distance and respect I'm good with that. If you don't believe me and maybe think I'm insane, it doesn't matter either. If you ever want to prove it to yourself and find him, all you need to do is want for the material things in this world a bit more than others for whatever reason, and I guarantee he will find you. Bye old friend, you're missed, and may we never meet again.

By @plg - 5 months
It drives me BONKERS that I can read the new yorker within the apple news app (because I pay money) but I cannot in any way through any means read the same words via a web browser to the actual new yorker site.

I know, welcome to the new internet. Apple sells me discounted access via their app because in doing so Apple can monetize my eyeballs. I hate it.

By @Animats - 5 months
I thought this was going to be about deals with VCs.