August 12th, 2024

NASA Investigation Finds Boeing Hindering Americans' Return to Moon

NASA's OIG report highlights Boeing's mismanagement and workforce issues causing delays and cost overruns in the SLS Block 1B project, jeopardizing the Artemis program and future space exploration.

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NASA Investigation Finds Boeing Hindering Americans' Return to Moon

A recent report from NASA's Office of the Inspector General (OIG) has identified significant mismanagement and workforce inadequacies at Boeing, which are causing delays and increased costs in the development of NASA's Space Launch System (SLS) Block 1B. The report highlights that Boeing's quality control practices are subpar and that its workforce lacks sufficient training, leading to a projected cost increase for the Exploration Upper Stage (EUS) from an initial budget of $962 million to an estimated $2.8 billion by 2028. The OIG also noted that the EUS's delivery could be delayed by up to 14 months due to ongoing quality control issues, including unsatisfactory welding practices attributed to inexperienced technicians. Despite these findings, NASA has refrained from imposing financial penalties on Boeing, arguing that such actions would contradict their contractual terms. The OIG has made several recommendations for improving Boeing's quality management system and ensuring compliance with contract requirements, but NASA has only partially agreed to these suggestions. The report warns that failure to address these issues could jeopardize the Artemis program and NASA's broader goals for deep space exploration.

- NASA's OIG report blames Boeing for delays and cost overruns in the SLS Block 1B project.

- Boeing's quality control and workforce training are cited as major issues affecting project timelines.

- The estimated cost of the Exploration Upper Stage has ballooned significantly from its original budget.

- NASA has not imposed financial penalties on Boeing despite the identified shortcomings.

- The report emphasizes the potential negative impact on the Artemis program and future space exploration efforts.

AI: What people are saying
The comments reflect a strong criticism of Boeing's management and its impact on the SLS Block 1B project and the Artemis program.
  • Many commenters express frustration with Boeing's bureaucratic inefficiencies and mismanagement, suggesting it hinders progress in space exploration.
  • There is a call for accountability for management decisions that have led to delays and cost overruns.
  • Some commenters question the feasibility of the U.S. landing on the moon by 2025, citing historical delays in infrastructure projects.
  • Several comments highlight a preference for SpaceX over Boeing, emphasizing its superior performance and cost-effectiveness.
  • Concerns are raised about the broader implications of Boeing's issues on American technological leadership and innovation.
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By @elzbardico - 9 months
What MBAs and Financists destroyed so far:

- Western Industry.

- The blue-collar middle class

- The Middle Class

- Our health care system

- Our education

- Western Economic Leadership.

- Social Mobility

Now they are busy destroying western technology, science and innovation on their never-ending selfish wealth-extraction quest.

They convinced us that our homes are investments, so they can fleece us with their usurary schemes. So, what next? our organs?

They convinced us to exchange our pensions for the privilege of being the mark on a market where the sharks like them do whatever the fuck they want, from blatant insider trading, to pump and dump schemes, to outright fraud, having for all practical purposes bought the SEC a long time ago.

What they will kill next?

How long are we going to transfer wealth to those slimmy sweet talking ignorant greedy bean counters?

Our daily work is like being in a mad house because almost everything is subordinated to the the most sacred goal of cooking the next quarter numbers to ensure we maximize executive bonuses, and fuck the long run! crazy projects started, spin offs, merges, projects cancelled, company killing layoffs, fuck long term value generation! they want more and more, and more, and they fucking want it right now! the fucking bonus gollums.

Everything is fucked in our society but executive compensation. Xerox, HP, IBM, Boeing... How many other proud symbols of our economy and civilization are we going to let them destroy?

By @mananaysiempre - 9 months
> During a visit to Michoud in 2023, for example, inspectors discovered that welding on a component of the SLS Core Stage 3 did not meet NASA standards. Per the report, unsatisfactory welding performed on a set of fuel tanks led directly to a seven-month delay in EUS completion.

> “According to NASA officials, the welding issues arose due to Boeing’s inexperienced technicians and inadequate work order planning and supervision,” the OIG says. [...]

Welders are highly qualified and well-paid craftsmen. Wouldn’t surprise me if they’d been hit particularly hard by management that doesn’t value tenured, expensive employees.

By @jtriangle - 9 months
Headline makes it sound like it's intentional, like Boeing knows the moon's haunted and wants to prevent people from going.

Turns out they're just a giant company suckling on the teat of mommy government and have developed severe structural dysfunction that prevents them from effectively executing their plans.

By @trentnix - 9 months
Pournelle’s Iron Law of Bureaucracy claims another victim.

In any bureaucracy, the people devoted to the benefit of the bureaucracy itself always get in control and those dedicated to the goals that the bureaucracy is supposed to accomplish have less and less influence, and sometimes are eliminated entirely.

RIP Jerry. A Step Farther Out is one of my all time favorites.

By @umanwizard - 9 months
Does anyone actually seriously believe the U.S. will land a person on the moon in 2025? This is the country that takes decades to open a new subway station.
By @mglz - 9 months
The damage to Boeing is already done I am afraid. But moving forwards there needs to be accountability for management types that destroy companies in such a way. This is a massive destruction of capability for the USA and will continue to be extremely expensive in the future.
By @zugi - 9 months
> For example, Boeing Defense’s Earned Value Management System (EVMS)—which NASA uses to measure contract cost and schedule progress ... has been disapproved by the Department of Defense since 2020. Officials claim this precludes Boeing from reliably predicting an EUS delivery date.

Interesting that instead of commenting on engineering or technology issues, this is basically NASA bureaucrats complaining about Boeing bureaucrats' procedures. The whole SLS program is so bureaucratized it's amazing they can get anything of the ground, and not surprising that Space X is beating them in performance and cost by 3X.

By @sgnelson - 9 months
By @pharos92 - 9 months
And SpaceX are sitting there with all the capability, resource and a good chunk of the technology ready to go.

The legacy defence contractors have been watered with a hoover dams worth of taxpayer money for far too long and have little to show for it.

By @Animats - 9 months
Anyone found the actual Office of the Inspector General report yet? It ought ot be here [1] or here [2], but it's not.

[1] https://oigforms.nasa.gov/audits/auditReports.html

[2] https://oig.nasa.gov/investigation-reports/

By @iancmceachern - 9 months
It could just stop at hindering.

I think it's safe to say at this point that Boeing is hindering Americans. Full stop.

I'm a very proud American, my grandfather worked on Apollo, and was a submariner in WWII. Recently Boeing has not made me proud.

By @borisk - 9 months
Boeing has been very slow at raising salaries and contract rates in the last 15 years or so. That lead to a lot of the best engineers, managers and technicians leaving.
By @29athrowaway - 9 months
When Yuri Gagarin saw Earth from orbit for the first time in history, he saw a planet without borders between nations. One planet, one human species.

This vision is the last thing that the people profiting from conflict want you to see.

By @dehrmann - 9 months
I wonder how much of this is Boeing and how much is NASA. It's very easy to throw Boeing under the bus right now, and they might even deserve it, but at a minimum, NASA deserves blame for not doing due diligence. They're also trying to build something that we've largely forgotten how to build. It's a different NASA, and different Boeing, and design technology and manufacturing is completely different. It isn't reasonable to expect this to go smoothly.
By @nojvek - 9 months
IMO its a huge opportunity cost for humans to land on moon if it comes at cost of gazillions of dollars. We've been to moon, many countries have spent probes on the Moon. Humans are fragile blood bags covered in thin skin plastic. It takes a ton of other infrastructure around to sustain them. Even losing a single human is a disaster.

That money and time could be spent building better rovers. We could likely send 10 +rovers to different planets for exploration at the same time + cost factor.

Spirit & Opportunity spent ~21 years combined on Mars.

We could have an army of rovers for years on Moon and build habitable bases. It'd be cheaper than sending a few human astronauts to the Moon for a few hours of "we did it" videos.

By @vlark - 9 months
What killed American expertise? Middle management.
By @BizyDev - 9 months
Don't worry you Americans.

Your government will soon find a reason to sue Airbus (corruption, unfair competition, etc.) in order to extract its secrets and supply them to Boeing, and voila, Airbus' technological lead will be wiped out.

See Alstom's story for a manual of the perfect economic imperialist : https://www.economist.com/business/2019/01/17/how-the-americ...

By @reddog - 9 months
This is an easy fix for Boeing: budget for more lobbyists and campaign contributions.
By @fourseventy - 9 months
Just give the whole contract to SpaceX already
By @sbuttgereit - 9 months
A nice video commentary on this by Philip Sloss: https://youtu.be/XDsxdrIL_Cs
By @kazinator - 9 months
If the delays end up with Boeing extracting more money from NASA, it is obviously NASA who is inexperienced and mismanaged, while Boeing looks rather clever.

If outside contractors and suppliers are causing delays while you pay them, the poor manager is you.

By @andy_ppp - 9 months
Sack all the managers at Boeing and watch everything work better…
By @Eumenes - 9 months
You could find/replace Boeing with NASA/Federal government with this entire article. Boeing has a crazy amount of oversight. This is the governments failure.
By @PopePompus - 9 months
I don't know which is a better illustration of America's decline during my baby boomer lifetime - California High Speed Rail vs The Interstate Highway System or Artemis vs Apollo.
By @wmf - 9 months
By @eBombzor - 9 months
Intel and Boeing. Sad to see greats turn into this.
By @exabrial - 9 months
The SLS is a sinking ship and money pit. Blaming on Boeing is just en vogue.
By @gttalbot - 9 months
Why is this not cancelled?
By @lucasRW - 9 months
Boeing's number one priority is DEI.
By @whoitwas - 9 months
What's worse ignorance or malice? Boeing presents the best of both all to maximize quarterly earning$.

Can we please stop giving my tax dollars to them? Maybe it's better than building functioning weapon systems?

By @atlgator - 9 months
Is Boeing salvageable at this point? They are so bloated and bureaucratic. We've seen nothing but dishonesty from their executives. I'd rather see Blue Origin or Virgin Galactic step up beyond this space tourism nonsense.
By @givemeethekeys - 9 months
The money is in the journey, not the destination /s