September 12th, 2024

Data sleuths who spotted research misconduct cleared of defamation

A court ruled that researchers identifying manipulated data cannot be liable for defamation if their conclusions are evidence-based. Francesca Gino's lawsuit against Harvard continues, emphasizing scientific dispute resolution.

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Data sleuths who spotted research misconduct cleared of defamation

A court has ruled that researchers who identified manipulated data in studies cannot be held liable for defamation, as their conclusions were evidence-based. The case arose from a lawsuit filed by Francesca Gino, a Harvard Business School professor, who claimed defamation after the Data Colada team, consisting of Uri Simonsohn, Leif Nelson, and Joe Simmons, reported potential data fabrication in her work. Harvard conducted an internal investigation that confirmed research misconduct, leading to Gino's administrative leave. While the court dismissed most of Gino's claims against the Data Colada team, it allowed her lawsuit against Harvard to proceed, citing questions about the university's handling of the investigation. The court emphasized that scientific disputes should be resolved through scientific methods rather than litigation, and the researchers' cautious approach in presenting their findings protected them from defamation claims. This ruling underscores the importance of evidence-based reporting in science and may deter future lawsuits against researchers who expose misconduct.

- The court ruled that evidence-backed conclusions cannot constitute defamation.

- Francesca Gino's lawsuit against Harvard will continue, but most claims against the Data Colada team were dismissed.

- The ruling highlights the need for scientific disputes to be resolved through scientific methods.

- The cautious language used by the researchers helped protect them from defamation accusations.

- The case reinforces the value of transparency and evidence in scientific reporting.

AI: What people are saying
The comments reflect a range of opinions on the court ruling regarding Francesca Gino's defamation lawsuit against Harvard and the researchers involved.
  • Many commenters express relief that the court ruled in favor of evidence-based conclusions, viewing it as a positive outcome for scientific integrity.
  • There is concern about the financial burden of legal battles, with discussions on the costs incurred by the defendants and the implications of defamation lawsuits on academic freedom.
  • Several comments highlight the irony of researchers studying dishonesty facing defamation claims themselves, questioning the motivations behind such lawsuits.
  • Some commenters call for reforms in defamation law to protect researchers from legal intimidation and to ensure scientific disputes are resolved through research rather than litigation.
  • Links to related articles and resources are shared, indicating ongoing interest in the broader implications of this case within the academic community.
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By @apwheele - 7 months
While a favorable ruling for the Data Colada defendants seemed incredibly likely in the end (and of course being dismissed pre-trial before discovery is a good thing). But it still took over a year, and consisted of several pre-trial hearings with multiple back and forths between them. If I ctrl-f https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.mad.259... I see Pyle (their lawyer) listed 11 times. All the motions and responses are a non-trivial amount of work.

Do folks have a sense of how much the costs would have been just to get dismissed for DC? Seems to be definitely over 10k (50k?) Or am I overestimating.

By @anitil - 7 months
We're lucky to have hard-headed people willing to put up with legal threats and bullying tactics. I'm not sure I'd have the spine for it. It reminds me of when Ben Goldacre was sued [0] which luckily his publisher covered the costs for.

[0] https://www.badscience.net/files/The-Doctor-Will-Sue-You-Now...

By @andrelaszlo - 7 months
> To believe that the Original data are fake and the Posted data are real, you’d have to believe that the sensible data are fake and the backwards data are real. That is a difficult thing to believe.

> We were right about how the data were altered, Gino’s prevailing explanation for the alterations does not make sense, and yet we are the defendants in this case.

What's the academic term for "mic drop"?

https://datacolada.org/118

By @RachelF - 7 months
The irony is that Francesca Gino and Dan Ariely are famous for their pop-sci/TED talks studying dishonesty. Turns out they were dishonest themselves.

https://www.npr.org/2023/07/27/1190568472/dan-ariely-frances...

By @tanepiper - 7 months
I posted this a while back on here, but my wife works in Behavioural Science, and wrote this about it last year https://www.squarepeginsight.com/post/the-dark-side-of-behav...
By @Simon_ORourke - 7 months
So what happens with these costs - surely the failed litigant should shoulder some if not all of the costs of defending this defamation claim?
By @dudeinjapan - 7 months
If only Prof. Gino had signed her papers at the beginning she would have been less inclined to falsify the data.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3458378/

By @red_admiral - 7 months
In theory, if the other side can't outpay you on lawyers, truth should be an absolute defense to allegations of defamation. If you're careful enough not to just write "she faked the data" but "based on this evidence ... we believe the data is fake", that should be watertight.
By @PaulKeeble - 7 months
There is no limits a grifter wont go to in order to continue their grift. Those with the funds regularly get away with it purely because they have the funds to sue their opponents into bankruptcy. The system worked in this case but it so rarely does and we see so often people having to back down due to legal threats.
By @SMAAART - 7 months
She wrote the book "Rebel Talent: why it pays to break the rules".
By @kmeisthax - 7 months
In my opinion, defamation law is not fit for purpose, it's far too easy for rich people with axes to grind to sue their accusers in an attempt to stifle speech by putting a price on their words. Anti-SLAPP motions are supposed to fix this by allowing fee shifting, but they only exist in a handful of states, and I'm still not 100% sure how effective that alone can be at restoring freedom of speech[0].

Until such time as that legal system is fixed, the scientific community should take countermeasures against the law. I'm calling for some kind of universal default clause[1]. If you sue scientific accusers for defamation, you're not doing science anymore, so you should be automatically fired from or kicked out of any scientific institution you're a member of. You could obviously restrain this to only unproven allegations - i.e. get a scientific board to call the allegations bullshit first and then you can bring it to a court. But the pathway of allegations of fraud becoming "put up $100k in legal fees or shut up" is not acceptable in a free society.

[0] Related note: do you remember when Donald Trump was saying he wanted to "open up our libel laws" to make it EASIER to pull this shit!?

[1] "Universal default" is a concept in banking that treats defaulting on any loan the same as defaulting on the specific loan mentioned in the contract.

By @taeric - 7 months
This whole ordeal has been crazy. Glad to see some sanity prevailing at this level. Curious where the rest of the story is at. Anyone have a good primer on where things ultimately are, at this point?

Curious on more than just this case. If I recall, there were several large scale misconduct cases that hit back to back. All of those still in flight?

By @xbar - 7 months
Arrivederci, Francesca Gino.
By @dang - 7 months
Related. Others?

Harvard Probe Finds Honesty Researcher Engaged in Scientific Misconduct - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39712021 - March 2024 (15 comments)

They studied dishonesty – Was their work a lie? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37714898 - Sept 2023 (153 comments)

Crowdfunding a defense for scientific research - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37393502 - Sept 2023 (47 comments)

I’m so sorry for psychology’s loss, whatever it is - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37315292 - Aug 2023 (94 comments)

Support Academic Freedom of Speech - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37153168 - Aug 2023 (1 comment)

Is it defamation to point out scientific research fraud? - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37152030 - Aug 2023 (13 comments)

Harvard professor Francesca Gino was accused of faking data - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36968670 - Aug 2023 (146 comments)

Fabricated data in research about honesty - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36907829 - July 2023 (46 comments)

Fraudulent data raise questions about superstar honesty researcher (2021) - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36726485 - July 2023 (33 comments)

Harvard ethics professor allegedly fabricated multiple studies - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36665247 - July 2023 (215 comments)

Harvard dishonesty expert accused of dishonesty - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36424090 - June 2023 (201 comments)

Data Falsificada (Part 1): “Clusterfake” – Data Colada - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36374255 - June 2023 (7 comments)

Noted study in psychology fails to replicate, crumbles with evidence of fraud - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28264097 - Aug 2021 (102 comments)

A Big Study About Honesty Turns Out to Be Based on Fake Data - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28257860 - Aug 2021 (91 comments)

Evidence of fraud in an influential field experiment about dishonesty - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28210642 - Aug 2021 (51 comments)

By @kernal - 7 months
How ironic that the people exposing a fraudster must defend themselves from the false allegations of a fraudster. The sad and pathetic part is that Francesca Gino even tried to blame her colleagues for the fake data. These videos are a good primer on the dishonesty of Francesca Gino.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNK4nXWA_s8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE5V_nW7pPo

By @teekert - 7 months
“… the court has ruled that evidence-backed conclusions regarding fabricated data cannot constitute defamation—which is probably a very good thing for science.”

“Probably good for science”? That is science!

By @Validark - 7 months
“[s]cientific controversies must be settled by the methods of science rather than by the methods of litigation”

Boom. And the researchers didn't accuse a person of fabrication, they accused the data of being fabricated.

By @smcin - 7 months
[tl;dr] US District Court dismisses Francesca Gino's controversial $25m defamation lawsuit against Harvard Business School and DataColada scientist-bloggers (Simonsohn, Nelson, and Simmons). The judge allowed Gino's breach of contract claim against Harvard to continue.

DataColada's legal defense (so far) was paid for by their own universities; there is also a $378K private GoFundMe organized by Simine Vazire [https://www.gofundme.com/f/uhbka-support-data-coladas-legal-...]. Yet apparently not a penny from the journals which Gino published in, or by HBS, or the funders of Gino's research.

(EDIT: this got upvoted, then suddenly multiply downvoted and flagged - why? I wrote it very carefully and double-checked every single statement. If anyone's quibbling the term "Francesca Gino's controversial $25m defamation lawsuit", that term was used by the MBA-watching blog https://poetsandquants.com/2024/09/12/judge-dismisses-france... )