September 30th, 2024

AI chipmaker Cerebras files for IPO to take on Nvidia

Cerebras Systems has filed for an IPO under the ticker "CBRS" on Nasdaq, reporting a $66.6 million net loss in H1 2024, while competing with Nvidia and others in AI chips.

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AI chipmaker Cerebras files for IPO to take on Nvidia

Artificial intelligence chipmaker Cerebras Systems has filed for an initial public offering (IPO) and plans to trade under the ticker symbol "CBRS" on the Nasdaq. The company reported a net loss of $66.6 million in the first half of 2024, with sales of $136.4 million, compared to a net loss of $77.8 million and $8.7 million in sales during the same period in 2023. Cerebras, which competes with Nvidia and other tech giants like AMD and Intel, offers its WSE-3 chip, which boasts more cores and memory than Nvidia's H100. The company also provides cloud-based services utilizing its computing clusters. In 2023, Cerebras had a total net loss of $127.2 million on revenues of $78.7 million. A significant portion of its revenue comes from Group 42, a UAE-based AI firm. The IPO comes amid a challenging technology market, with higher interest rates affecting investor sentiment. Citigroup and Barclays are leading the offering, while major investors include Foundation Capital and notable individuals like OpenAI CEO Sam Altman. Cerebras was founded in 2016 and has previously been valued at over $4 billion.

- Cerebras Systems has filed for an IPO, aiming to trade as "CBRS" on Nasdaq.

- The company reported a net loss of $66.6 million in the first half of 2024.

- Cerebras competes with Nvidia and other major tech firms in the AI chip market.

- A significant portion of its revenue comes from a partnership with UAE-based Group 42.

- Citigroup and Barclays are leading the IPO offering.

AI: What people are saying
Cerebras Systems' IPO filing raises concerns among commenters regarding its financial health and competitive position in the AI chip market.
  • Many commenters question the viability of Cerebras competing against established players like Nvidia, Intel, and AMD, especially given its significant net loss.
  • There are discussions about the technical advantages of Cerebras' wafer-scale chips, but skepticism remains about their performance and market adoption.
  • Concerns are raised about the timing of the IPO, with some suggesting that the company's financials do not justify going public.
  • Commenters highlight the need for Cerebras to improve its software and developer relations to succeed.
  • Some express doubt about the company's long-term prospects, citing a lack of a competitive moat and the challenges of wafer-scale integration.
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By @knowitnone - 6 months
NVIDIA is pretty established but there's also Intel, AMD, Google to contend with. Sure Cerebras is unique in that they make one large chip out of the entire wafer but nothing prevents these other companies from doing the same thing. Currently they are choosing not to because of wafer economics but if they chose to, Cerebras would pretty much lose their advantage. https://www.servethehome.com/cerebras-wse-3-ai-chip-launched... 56x the size of H100 but only 8x the performance improvement isn't something I would brag about. I expected much higher performance since all processing is on one wafer. Something doesn't add up (I'm no system designer). Also, at $3.13 million per node, one could buy 100 H100s at $30k each (not including system, cooling, cluster, etc). Based on price/performance Cerebras loses IMO.
By @tempusalaria - 6 months
On the one hand, the financials are terrible for an IPO in this market.

On the other, Nvidia is worth 3trn so they can sell a pretty good dream of what success looks like to investors.

Personally I would expect them to get a valuation well about the 4bln from the 2021 round, despite the financials not coming close to justifying it.

By @GeorgeTirebiter - 6 months
Cerebras is well-known in the AI chip market. They make chips that are an entire wafer.

https://spectrum.ieee.org/cerebras-chip-cs3

By @fancyfredbot - 6 months
The only way for Cereberas to actually succeed in the market is to raise funds. They need better software, better developer relations, and better hardware too. It's a gamble, but if they can raise enough money then there's a chance of success, whereas if they can't it's pretty hopeless.
By @zone411 - 6 months
They have a cloud platform. I just ran a test query on their version of Llama 3.1 70B and got 566 tokens/sec.
By @mlboss - 6 months
The real winner in chip war is TSMC. Everyone is using them to make chips.
By @alecco - 6 months
If Cerebras keeps improving it will be a decent contender to Nvidia. Nvidia VRAM-SRAM is a bottleneck. For just inference, it needs to download a model at least once per token (divided by batch size). The bottleneck is not Tensor Cores but memory transfers. They say it themselves. Cerebras fixes that (at a cost of software complexity and narrower target solution).
By @adrian_b - 6 months
"the filing puts the spotlight on the company’s financials and its relationship with its biggest customer, Abu Dhabi-based G42, which is also a partner and an investor in the company."

"The documents also say that a single customer, G42, accounted for 83% of revenue in 2023 and 87% in the first half of 2024."

https://www.eetimes.com/cerebras-ipo-paperwork-sheds-light-o...

By @lamontcg - 6 months
Kind of vaguely reminds me of Transmeta vs Intel/AMD back in ~2000.
By @gdiamos - 6 months
Cerebras has a real technical advantage in development of wafer scale.
By @Nokinside - 6 months
They use the whole wafer for a chip (wafer scale). The WSE-3 chip is optimized for sparse linear algebra ops, used 5nm TSMC process.

Their idea is to have 44 GB SRAM per chip. SRAM is _very_expensive_ compared to DRAM (about two orders of magnitude).

It's easy to design larger chip. What determines the price/performance ratio are things like

- performance per chip area.

- yield per chip area.

By @ggm - 6 months
Wafer scale integration has been a thing since wafers. Yet, I almost never read of anyone taking it the full distance to a product. I don't know if it turns out the yield per die per wafer or the associated technology problems were the glitch, but it feels like a good idea which never quite makes it out the door.
By @mgh2 - 6 months
By @cootsnuck - 6 months
Concerning in terms of hype bubble now having even more exposure to the stock market. Perhaps less concerning since it's a hardware startup? Nah, nvm, I think this will end up cratered within 3 years.
By @brk - 6 months
I’m going to go ahead and predict this flubs long term. Not only is what they are doing very challenging, I’ve had some random brokerage house reach out to me multiple times about investing in this IPO. When your IPO process resorts to cold calling I don’t think it’s a good sign. Granted I have some associations with AI startups I don’t think that had anything to do with the outreach from the firm.
By @gyre007 - 6 months
I don’t know enough to say they’ll fail or be successful but I am wondering who will underwrite this IPO — they must have balls of steal and confidence gallore
By @system2 - 6 months
Is it a good idea to go IPO when the balance sheet looks terrible?
By @metadat - 6 months
Does cerebras make gaming GPUs, or is it enterprise-only?
By @brcmthrowaway - 6 months
How does Cerebras compare to D-Matrix?
By @bloqs - 6 months
They have zero moat
By @parentheses - 6 months
So many things here smell funny...

I have never heard of any models trained on this hardware. How does a company IPO on the basis of having the "best tech" in this industry, when all the top models are trained on other hardware.

It just doesn't add up.

By @will-burner - 6 months
This is the first I've heard of Cerebras Systems.

From the article

>Cerebras had a net loss of $66.6 million in the first six months of 2024 on $136.4 million in sales, according to the filing.

That doesn't sound very good.

What makes them think they can compete with Nvidia, and why IPO right now?

Are they trying to get government money to make chip fabs like Intel or something?