October 6th, 2024

The Naming of America (2001)

The naming of America, first appearing on a map in 1507, involves complex origins beyond Amerigo Vespucci, reflecting cultural identity and colonial legacies, with various explorers potentially influencing the name.

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The Naming of America (2001)

The naming of America has been a subject of debate since the early 20th century, challenging the traditional narrative that attributes the name to Amerigo Vespucci. The first known use of "America" on a map was by Martin Waldseemüller in 1507, but the origins of the name are complex and intertwined with various historical narratives. While Vespucci is credited with recognizing the New World as distinct from Asia, other claims suggest that the name may derive from earlier explorers, including Norse, Irish, and even African voyagers. Theories have emerged, such as the Amerrique theory, which posits that the name comes from a district in Nicaragua, and some argue that Vespucci may have adopted the name after his voyages. Critics of the traditional narrative, like Jan Carew, argue that the colonial naming process reflects a broader cultural alienation and identity crisis for indigenous peoples. The historical portrayal of Vespucci has also been contentious, with accusations of opportunism and dishonesty overshadowing his contributions. Ultimately, the naming of America is not just a matter of historical fact but also a reflection of cultural identity and the legacies of colonialism.

- The name "America" first appeared on a map in 1507, attributed to Martin Waldseemüller.

- Traditional narratives credit Amerigo Vespucci with the naming, but alternative theories exist regarding its origins.

- Various explorers, including Norse and Irish, may have reached America before Columbus and Vespucci.

- The naming process is linked to cultural alienation and identity crises for indigenous peoples.

- Vespucci's reputation has been historically vilified, complicating his legacy in the discovery narrative.

AI: What people are saying
The discussion surrounding the naming of America reveals various perspectives and insights.
  • Commenters express curiosity about historical figures related to the name, such as America Vespucci, and question the outcomes of her land grant request.
  • There are debates about the historical accuracy of early maps and the representation of indigenous peoples.
  • Some comments reflect on the implications of the name "America" on cultural identity and historical narratives.
  • Humor is present, with remarks about the absurdity of alternative names for the United States.
  • Several users share personal reflections on the significance of the name and its origins, indicating a broader interest in the topic.
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By @freetime2 - 3 months
> Not surprisingly, the notion that America was named for Vespucci has long been universally accepted, so much so that a lineal descendant, America Vespucci, came to New Orleans in 1839 and asked for a land grant "in recognition of her name and parentage."

I found this little aside in the opening paragraph interesting. Who did she ask? And was she successful?

A quick google search didn’t turn up much about America Vespucci. I did find one article about her that makes her sound very interesting [1], but no mention of the above request. I’m guessing from the way she moved around after 1839 her request was not granted, though.

[1] https://jeffcowiki.miraheze.org/wiki/Marie_Helene_America_Ve...

By @jmclnx - 3 months
>A black African discovery of America, it has been argued, took place around 3,000 years ago , and influenced the development of Mayan, Aztec, and Inca civilizations

This is a new one on me. Maybe it could it have happened, but I very much doubt it. This seems to go back to the usual thing of "Native Americans were too dumb to build a civilization".

If anyone got to the Americas before people crossing the Atlantic, it would have been the Polynesians. That I could believe.

By @cjs_ac - 3 months
A less rigorous but more entertaining treatment of this topic is available here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfXoUaeLcDU
By @meiraleal - 3 months
Intersting. In Brazil we argue that the US isn't America. Great to know that Brazil was first called America, not the US :)
By @oldmapgallery - 2 months
Was tremendously intrigued to see Marcou's name and position on the topic that came up in this discussion. He's a titan in historical geology. But I can't think of any early maps that identify this people group or mountain range. Especially early on (16th -17th century). Solid, reliable depictions of the Central American interior come late, many in the late 18th and early 19th century. Identifying people groups was pretty darned important. Think to those early maps for New England, identifying people groups were as abundant as placenames and detailed landform. Take the Blaeu for New England, abundant in native peoples... https://www.davidrumsey.com/luna/servlet/detail/RUMSEY~8~1~3...

I appreciate Marcou's map (1890) being a historical recreation of that region of Nicaragua, but I would have expected this tribal name to be an anchoring notation throughout early maps of the region from the beginning. But maybe I'm missing something.

By @n4r9 - 3 months
> to hear Armorica, the ancient Gaulish name meaning place by the sea

This line gave me synchronicity shivers. There's a recent SMBC comic that's been linked a few times on HN recently: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/arthur. The other day it sent me down a minor rabbit hole reading about Brittany, where I stumbled upon this map: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brittany#/media/File:Britonia6.... I (a Brit) thought that "Armorica" sounds exactly like "America" and looked up the meaning: "place by the sea". I realised I'd never looked up the origin of the name America but this must be it. So I googled around and was disappointed when I found the story about Vespucci. Cool to know that it's still somewhat in dispute.

By @robertclaus - 3 months
Interesting that the article is so rigorous/long even though there turns out to be clear historical evidence showing where the name came from.
By @WalterBright - 3 months
> To question the origin of America's name is to question the nature of not only our history lessons but our very identity as Americans.

It's the idea of what being an American stands for that matters, not the origin of the word.

By @Crunchified - 3 months
I am simply grateful that I don't live in the United States of Vespucciland.
By @seriocomic - 2 months
I read this twice and struggled to come away with the TL:DR; - can anyone help?

Also, I found most of the comments here equally educational and informative!

By @dang - 3 months
Anybody know the year of this essay? I put 2001 above because it's the latest date I could find in the text.