November 16th, 2024

James Webb Space Telescope Finds Evidence for Alternate Theory of Gravity

Astronomers using the James Webb Space Telescope found evidence supporting Modified Newtonian Dynamics, challenging the Cold Dark Matter model of galaxy formation, which remains favored despite these findings.

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James Webb Space Telescope Finds Evidence for Alternate Theory of Gravity

Astronomers utilizing the James Webb Space Telescope (JWST) have discovered evidence that may support an alternative theory of gravity known as Modified Newtonian Dynamics (MOND), challenging the widely accepted Cold Dark Matter (Lambda-CDM) model. Traditionally, Lambda-CDM posits that dark matter is essential for galaxy formation, predicting that early galaxies should be small and dim due to the gradual accumulation of matter through dark matter's gravitational influence. However, recent observations from JWST indicate that ancient galaxies appear bright and fully formed, contradicting these predictions. Researchers from Case Western Reserve University argue that the data aligns more closely with MOND, which suggests that galaxies formed rapidly without the need for dark matter. While MOND has faced criticism and remains contentious, it offers a different perspective on galaxy formation by modifying Newton's laws to explain observed phenomena without invoking dark matter. Despite the support for MOND from JWST findings, the Lambda-CDM model continues to be favored in the astrophysical community due to its historical predictive success and compatibility with General Relativity. The ongoing debate highlights the complexities of understanding the universe's structure and the need for further exploration of both theories.

- JWST observations challenge the Cold Dark Matter model of galaxy formation.

- Evidence suggests galaxies formed rapidly, supporting the Modified Newtonian Dynamics theory.

- MOND modifies Newton's laws to explain galaxy behavior without dark matter.

- Lambda-CDM remains widely supported despite challenges from MOND.

- The debate underscores the complexities in astrophysics and the need for further research.

AI: What people are saying
The discussion surrounding the article on the James Webb Space Telescope's findings and their implications for galaxy formation theories reveals several key points of contention and interest.
  • Many commenters express skepticism about the validity of MOND, citing its limitations compared to general relativity and the Cold Dark Matter model.
  • There is a consensus that the evidence presented is not definitive, with some calling the article's claims misleading or sensationalized.
  • Several participants highlight the need for further research and discussion on the implications of the new data for both MOND and dark matter theories.
  • Some commenters advocate for a more nuanced understanding of galaxy formation, suggesting that current models may still accommodate the new observations.
  • Concerns are raised about the portrayal of scientific debates in media, emphasizing the importance of accurate and precise communication.
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By @astroH - 5 months
In my opinion, this article is misleading at best. "...scans of ancient galaxies gathered by the JWST seem to contradict the commonly accepted predictions of the most widely accepted Cold Dark Matter theory, Lambda-CDM." --> LCDM doesn't predict what galaxies should look like, it simply predicts how much mass is in collapsed structures and that dark matter haloes grow hierarchically. In contrast, with JWST we see light and need to infer what the underlying properties of the system are. It was shown very early on that the theoretical upper limit (i.e. taking all of the gas that is available in collapsed structures and turning it into stars) predicts a luminosity function (i.e. number of galaxies per unit luminosity) that is orders of above what JWST has observed (e.g. https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2023MNRAS.521..497M/abstra...). This means that there is plenty of space within the context of LCDM to have bright and seemingly large and massive galaxies early on. Based on current JWST data at these early epochs, there are really no convincing arguments for or against LCDM because it's highly sensitive to the galaxy formation model that's adopted.
By @samsartor - 5 months
My hangup with MOND is still general relativity. We know for a fact that gravity is _not_ Newtonian, that the inverse square law does not hold. Any model of gravity based on an inverse law is simply wrong.

Another comment linked to https://tritonstation.com/new-blog-page/, which is an excellent read. It makes the case that GR has never been tested at low accelerations, that is might be wrong. But we know for a fact MOND is wrong at high accelerations. Unless your theory can cover both, I don't see how it can be pitched as an improvement to GR.

Edit: this sounds a bit hostile. to be clear, I think modified gravity is absolutely worth researching. but it isn't a silver bullet

By @Bengalilol - 5 months
« Stunning evidence » … then later on: « Instead, the readings _seem_ to support a basis for MOND, which _would_ force astronomers and cosmologists to reconsider this alternative and long-controversial theory of gravity. » What’s conditional evidence? I may be missing the overall picture, but I view such writing as non precise at its best.
By @verzali - 5 months
Why why why do people share articles with sensational headlines like this? Its no wonder science journalism gets a bad rap. This kind of thing really undermines all the people who are actually trying to communicate science properly.
By @uoaei - 5 months
I follow the lead author, Stacy McGaugh, via his blog where he posts discussions and musings about the latest research into the dark matter vs MOND debate: https://tritonstation.com/new-blog-page/

His arguments are very convincing and relatively clear. I am not an astrophysicist but I have two degrees in physics and have always found the dark matter theory to be lacking -- in absence of any evidence of causation whatsoever, dark matter can only be described trivially as "where we would put matter if we could to make our theory of gravity make sense," which is totally backwards from a basic scientific perspective.

Predictions based on modern MOND postulates are shown to be more and more accurate as our observational instruments continue to improve in sensitivity.

By @nathan_compton - 5 months
I wish science reporters would stop using MOND to stand in for all theories for which MOND is the low curvature limit. MOND itself is not covariant and has a lot of other really well known issues which make it obviously a non-starter and more sophisticated theories in the family of General Relativity reproduce MOND like behavior but are better behaved and more plausible.

At the very least the term Modified Gravity or MOG should be used instead of MOND to avoid a lot of pointless back and forth about MOND.

By @jchanimal - 5 months
What’s MOND really mean? Here’s the Wikipedia entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modified_Newtonian_dynamics
By @librasteve - 5 months
Here is what Sean Carroll has to say about MOND…

https://www.preposterousuniverse.com/blog/2011/02/26/dark-ma...

I find this treatment more compelling.

By @RicoElectrico - 5 months
Waiting for Angela Collier to make a video on this, I'm sure many people will forward her this article. MOND is actually a niche in cosmology despite its PR.
By @Glyptodon - 5 months
Is there a quantized version of MOND where the increased acceleration is because a quantized unit of gravity will exert force across distances that would otherwise suggest that that the force would be less than a "g quanta" or because maybe quantization "ceilings" more than floors at very large distances? If gravity does have some kind of particle or fundamental quantization like a photon, and basically still exerts at huge or "infinite" distance, does it make sense that it's more likely there's some kind quantization floor or maybe quantization bands or something? Or is it thought that quantization of gravity imposes a limit on distance for the exertion of gravitational attraction? (Or is it thought that that with quantized gravity that what's happening is a decreased rate of "gravitons" interacting between the objects?)

Anyway, a bit clueless about this, just curious what gravitons are supposed to mean for either theory (MOND, LCDM, etc.).

By @mgraczyk - 5 months
Are any of the MOND theories consistent with this new data also consistent with recent gravitational wave observations? My understanding is that gravitational wave detectors have recently ruled out most plausible MOND theories. The linked paper doesn't seem to discuss this.
By @maronato - 5 months
For a dark matter researcher’s take on MOND, see this video: https://youtu.be/qS34oV-jv_A
By @pikseladam - 5 months
It shows early galaxies forming way faster and bigger than expected, which kind of shakes up the whole dark matter idea. Seems like it supports the MOND theory—that gravity might not work the way we think. Pretty wild, but it’s still up for debate.
By @I_am_tiberius - 5 months
What I find implausible about MOND is the constant a0 (~1.2). Why stick with a measurement based constant instead of exploring a parameter that varies with distance?
By @docflabby - 5 months
Dark matter is just made up bs if you replace "magic" for dark whenever its mentioned its the same difference - theres no tangable evidence it exists at all.