January 6th, 2025

TikTok should lose its big Supreme Court case

The Supreme Court case TikTok v. Garland examines the legality of banning TikTok over national security concerns, with potential implications for First Amendment rights regarding foreign-owned media platforms in the U.S.

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TikTok should lose its big Supreme Court case

The Supreme Court case TikTok v. Garland addresses whether the U.S. government can ban TikTok due to national security concerns related to its Chinese ownership by ByteDance. The law in question, the "Protecting Americans from Foreign Adversary Controlled Applications Act," aims to prevent foreign adversaries from controlling significant media platforms. Proponents argue that allowing such ownership could enable the Chinese government to manipulate content and collect data on American users. The case raises complex First Amendment issues, as it pits the government's authority to restrict foreign control of media against the principle that the government should not dictate media ownership. Historical precedents show that the U.S. has previously restricted foreign ownership in communications, suggesting that the government may have a valid interest in national security. The bipartisan support for the law and the composition of the judges involved indicate a likely unfavorable outcome for TikTok. However, the implications of the ruling could set a precedent for how First Amendment rights are applied to foreign-owned companies operating in the U.S. The case highlights the tension between safeguarding free speech and addressing legitimate national security concerns.

- The Supreme Court case TikTok v. Garland questions the legality of banning TikTok due to its Chinese ownership.

- The law aims to prevent foreign adversaries from controlling significant media platforms in the U.S.

- Historical precedents support the government's ability to restrict foreign ownership in communications.

- Bipartisan support for the law suggests a likely unfavorable outcome for TikTok.

- The ruling could impact how First Amendment rights are applied to foreign-owned companies in the U.S.

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By @Miner49er - 3 months
I'm no lawyer, but the connection to the Radio Act seems somewhat tenuous. In that situation, foreign governments would have to argue they have a free speech right to broadcast their message. In the TikTok ban case, it's not about TikTok's right to speech, it's about American's right to both receive speech and to speak. Americans can use TikTok as a platform of speech, which is different then the Radio Act.

There also already exists speech on TikTok that Americans have the right to hear, so the ban is more akin to the Lamont case mentioned in the article, IMO.

By @jimmytucson - 3 months
Do feed and ranking algorithms have "sub-rational" influence over people's thoughts and opinions? If feeds are mind control, shouldn't courts and lawmakers just ban mind control? I'm glad we're taking it out of the hands of a foreign government, but why put it in the hands of domestic tech companies?
By @jrflowers - 3 months
I like this article’s reasoning that websites and radio stations are the same thing and therefore the government rightfully has the existing power to ban any website that it deems sufficiently Chinese.

Following this reasoning it would make sense to create a sort of digital “jumbo country-scale safety net” that makes sure Americans can only see and interact with American stuff. Doing that effectively would take a lot of technical expertise though, I wonder where we would find a talent pool for such an undertaking.

By @incomingpain - 3 months
Tiktok's ban has bipartisan support(352 for, 65 against). Any judges looking to end their career will side with tiktok.

In this age of political polarization, the issues that which are agreed upon by both sides are the story.

There's nothing tiktok does that facebook does not.

But chicken or the egg? Is chinese social media causing the polarization?

What if the 'community guidelines' must be fully compliant with all cultures? Which essentially means free speech?

By @andrewla - 3 months
The bill mentions ByteDance and TikTok specifically -- doesn't that make this a bill of attainder, and thus de facto unconstitutional?

The terms of the ban are incredibly broad too -- if you can post reviews on AliExpress that other users can see it seems like that too would be a covered application.

By @jmclnx - 3 months
My take is reciprocally. Since China bans many US Owned Social Media Companies, the US should do the same. Once the US Companies get the same access in China the US allows TikTok to have, TikTok should be banned.
By @cdme - 3 months
I'm not sure we should ban TikTok. I am sure we should pass proper privacy legislation, but lack the will to do so.
By @wheaties - 3 months
National security has always beaten First Amendment (and many other rights.) I love watching TikTok but even i know how this will shake out.

Now the question will be, who will rush to fill in this void? Will Bliesky release short form videos, too?

By @scythe - 3 months
>It’s another thing altogether for a foreign adversary to potentially be able to control a massive communications platform with 170 million American users, nearly all of whom will be completely oblivious to whether the Chinese government is collecting their data or manipulating which content they see.

This seems very weak. Can anyone believe that "nearly all" TikTok users are "completely oblivious" to the well-publicized data collection and feed algorithm issues associated with social media use? I believe that a simple warning label should be more than enough.

By @layer8 - 3 months
ByteDance already has Lemon8 as its fallback plan. I wonder how that will pan out.
By @sneak - 3 months
Important to remember that the actual implementation falls to Apple and Google to remove the app from stores.

It will be interesting to see if they turn the USA into a country that starts censoring arbitrary websites at the ISP level. tiktok.com is a thing.

By @LittleTimothy - 3 months
I think it's pretty pointless to discuss the pretextual judicial justification for something that is just raw politics. Trump will decide if Tiktok is banned, it's as simple as that. You don't need to analyze the supreme court case, it doesn't matter. If Trump is motivated to get rid of it, he'll find a way. If he doesn't want it sold, he'll find a way. What exactly is the supreme court planning to do if Trump just ignores the ruling? What exactly is Tiktok planning to do if Trump chooses to attack it? Trump has all 3 branches of government and is constrained by no norms. He can simply do as he likes and focusing on the legal arguments just looks a bit silly.
By @mullingitover - 3 months
Purely from a realpolitik perspective I can't see a Tiktok ban happening.

It has been a wildly successful propaganda machine for the ruling class, and ByteDance's extreme right-wing major shareholder Jeff Yaas[1] has enough money to buy the supreme court many times over with change from his couch cushions. The fact that the SC is already putting a pause on the shutdown should've made it clear that Tiktok won't be harmed.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Yass

By @lemoncookiechip - 3 months
A reminder that in a recent interview with [1] NBC News, Trump spoke very positively of Tiktok, saying it played a role in his campaign reaching a younger demographic and saying he would fight to keep it around. He takes office on the day after the ban supposedly goes into action.

[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b607aDHUu2I (The China/Taiwan timestamp iirc)

By @hunglee2 - 3 months
very important to control the information environment - social stability and mobilisation of the masses is dependent on it.
By @throwkaa - 3 months
I hope all nations ban Chinese and American propoganda apps.