January 15th, 2025

2k-year-old wine and the uncanny immediacy of the past

In 2019, a Roman tomb in Carmona, Spain, revealed the oldest known wine, alongside well-preserved artifacts, emphasizing ordinary lives and challenging traditional historical narratives focused on famous figures.

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2k-year-old wine and the uncanny immediacy of the past

In 2019, construction workers in Carmona, Spain, discovered a sealed Roman tomb dating back 2,000 years, which contained a glass urn with cremated remains and five liters of a reddish liquid. This liquid was later confirmed to be the oldest known wine, predating the previous record holder by three centuries. The tomb's remarkable preservation included vivid painted decorations and various artifacts, such as Baltic amber and a crystal flask of patchouli perfume. The wine, a white variety similar to modern fino sherry, highlights the intersection of science, technology, and history in archaeological discoveries. Such artifacts, including the Pazyryk carpet and the Sword of Goujian, provide a visceral connection to the past, allowing us to imagine the everyday lives of people from ancient times. These well-preserved objects challenge the traditional view of history, which often focuses on famous figures and events, by reminding us that ordinary people engaged in daily activities, such as drinking wine and baking bread. This perspective emphasizes the importance of understanding the texture of past lives beyond iconic cultural products.

- A 2,000-year-old Roman tomb in Carmona, Spain, revealed the oldest known wine.

- The wine is a white variety similar to modern fino sherry, showcasing ancient winemaking practices.

- Well-preserved artifacts provide a tangible connection to everyday life in ancient times.

- Discoveries like this challenge the focus on famous historical figures and events, highlighting ordinary people's experiences.

- The intersection of science and archaeology enhances our understanding of historical artifacts.

AI: What people are saying
The comments reflect a deep engagement with the themes of historical artifacts and their connection to the past.
  • Many commenters appreciate how artifacts, like the wine and other historical objects, create a tangible link to everyday lives in history.
  • There is curiosity about the preservation of the wine and questions regarding its safety and the science behind its longevity.
  • Several users draw parallels between historical texts and modern experiences, emphasizing the relatability of historical figures.
  • Some comments highlight the significance of branding and personal touches in ancient artifacts, such as the baker's stamp on bread.
  • Humor and light-heartedness are present, with comments about the quality of ancient wine and the excitement of discovering old things.
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By @bglazer - 1 day
Nice article about artifacts that make the past more immediate, that allow us to connect our experiences to people hundreds or thousands of years ago.

My favorite example is the writings of Onfim, who was a little boy in the 1200s in present day Russia whose scribbling and homework were exquisitely preserved on birch bark fragments. It’s so immediately recognizable as a little boy’s endearing doodles about knights and imaginary beasts, yet its 800 years old.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onfim

By @thom - 1 day
I agree these objects (just like colourised photos) help bridge the distance to the past. But I've had the same experience purely with text. If you read Cicero's letters and diaries, and then just imagine him - suffering writer's block, wracked with anxiety and self-doubt, desperate for his friends to cheer him up - as a neurotic, terminally-online Twitter user, it fits perfectly and breathes life into his every word.
By @dmix - 1 day
The bakers stamp on the bread is interesting branding

https://substackcdn.com/image/fetch/w_1456,c_limit,f_webp,q_...

By @abeppu - 1 day
The inscription on the Sword of Goujian, the translation for which is displayed in the article, says that the King of Yue made and used the sword himself. How literally do people with knowledge of the period take that? Is it surprising / unlikely for a king of that period to make anything themselves, especially something so ornate, rather than commission it?
By @ThinkingGuy - 1 day
One of the most interesting parts of Pompeii for me was seeing the area where they've restored a vineyard, to the point of planting the rows of vines in the exact spots that held vines 2000 years ago. While large areas of the city consists of ruins of buildings that you kind of have to infer the layout of from the floorplans, the vineyard was the one of the spots where I most felt like I was looking back in time, and seeing the spot more-or-less as it would have looked in 79CE.
By @poulpy123 - about 10 hours
The thing that surprised me the most was to discover that there was patchouli perfume. I always associated it hippies and the hippie trail from the 60s and was thinking it was from Asia
By @myrandomcomment - about 20 hours
OMG! The only question is did anyone try it?
By @mcswell - 1 day
41 AD was a very good year.
By @scaglio - about 18 hours
Fascinating! The wine discovery reminds me one scene from the book 'The Dark Forest'[0] when the protagonist drinks a wine from some centuries before... spoiler: it wasn't good.

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dark_Forest

By @sedatk - 1 day
"All this has happened before, and all this will happen again" --Battlestar Galactica (originally from Peter Pan though)
By @insane_dreamer - 1 day
While the tomb was sealed it wasn't a vacuum, so how did the liquid not evaporate over time?
By @pea - 1 day
I'm curious how dangerous it would be to drink the wine?
By @NL807 - 1 day
How on earth did the wine not evaporate out of the vessel over such a long period of time?
By @metalman - about 13 hours
The most profound story of this type is the account of finding a leaf, in 10's of million year old clay, that when exposed, was green, but then very very rapidly oxidised and crumbled.Ref: from somewhere in the great lakes region? 90's mag, likely sciam.Also similar storys of other very ancient soft tissues, somewhat contentious, though it is understood that,unless lithified, ancient organic remains are exceptionaly fragile and do crumble quickly without meticulous and complicated preservation tecniques, the three common reasons for presevation in situ are freezing ,water saturation, or drying/mumification. The shear volume of artifacts that humans have, and are leaving behind, insures plenty of interesting finds availible into the far future.
By @CyberDildonics - 1 day
I can't wait to read about the uncanny immediacy of the unreasonable effectiveness of the timeless aesthetic of the past.
By @teddyh - 1 day
It is always fascinating when Americans re-discover that old things actually exist.

But, as they say, an American thinks that 100 years is a long time while a European thinks that 100 miles is a long way.