June 23rd, 2024

How electronic ignition works and also how to make a spark plug play music

Electronic ignition systems have advanced from distributor-based to ECU-controlled setups, eliminating the distributor for precise ignition timing managed by the ECU through sensors. Enthusiasts used Arduino to experiment with ignition coils, showcasing creative automotive technology applications.

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How electronic ignition works and also how to make a spark plug play music

Electronic ignition systems have evolved from electromechanical distributor-based systems to modern ECU-controlled setups. In distributor-based systems, the distributor triggers the ignition coil to generate sparks at the right moment for combustion. Electronic systems have eliminated the distributor, with the ECU managing ignition timing through sensors. Modern ignition coils have multiple terminals, including ones for ignition trigger and feedback connected to the ECU. By experimenting with an ignition coil and an Arduino board, enthusiasts were able to control spark frequency and even play musical notes by triggering the coil rapidly. While a musical ignition coil may not have practical use, the concept of using Arduino to control ignition coils has led to projects like Speeduino, an open-source ECU system. This innovative approach showcases the potential for creative applications in automotive technology.

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By @Animats - 5 months
That's called a "singing arc".[1] It's a plasma speaker. Those are good tweeters, but run in air, they generate too much ozone.

In helium, though...[2]

[1] https://teslascience.wordpress.com/making-a-music-playing-pl...

[2] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeMCBb_Fo78

By @082349872349872 - 5 months
> ...is any of this useful for anything? A musical ignition coil might not be...

Some Siemens engineers decided that if they couldn't get rid of locomotive startup leaking into the audio bands, they might as well make it sound like they meant to be playing it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpMxETSV4K8

By @roughly - 5 months
Between the Autopian, Defector, 404Media, and about a dozen other sites, it's fascinating how much good writing, interesting content, and genuinely great internet was apparently being held back by whatever combination of VC, private equity, and just general herb-ish "media executives" over the last decade. It didn't _have_ to be the decade of the listicle, we didn't _have_ to lose the entire media ecosystem, there was still an audience for good content.
By @indianSummer - 5 months
Let me add, (from experience) that any way the plug gets lit, whether it be old school distributor, coil pack, or coil on plug, it can shock a human very badly. It's easy to get lulled into a false sense of comfort working on 12v automotive electricals, but the power levels going to the spark plug are much higher.
By @mikestew - 5 months
Captain Pedantic asks, "isn't 'electronic ignition' an ignition system that uses an electronic module instead of physical points?" I've not heard a definition of "electronic ignition" that cares about how the electricity gets to the spark plug. Instead, we are concerned with how we trigger the magnetic field to collapse and makes spark: is it the mechanical opening of a switch, or is it transistors?

And using that definition, we've had electronic ignition commonly put in cars since the 70s. Distributor, or lack thereof, has nothing to do with that definition.

By @simne - 5 months
As I understand matters, first spark make air conductive (could say, it becomes plasma), and than for some time you need much less power to light plasma.

Very similar physics behave in classic neon lamps - they use short high voltage impulse to ignite plasma, then much less voltage to support it.

So one could make two circuits - one (already existed), will provide enough power to "cold start", other will just provide modulated from waveform voltage (probably, something like pwm).

Sure, second circuit should be fast enough to be in time with sound, but again, as I said, need much less voltage.

I cannot provide exact numbers now, but as I hear, for spark plug like gap at atmosphere pressure, need few kilovolts to spark plasma, and may be within 1Kv to support plasma.

In ICE pressure is much higher, because of this, in electronic ignition usually used up to 100Kv to make spark.

If you could make low pressure environment, ~ 1/100 of atmosphere at sea level, you could probably limit to few hundreds volts for all.

By @throwway120385 - 5 months
Coil-on plug was not terribly common in the 90's. More likely you would have had a "distributorless" ignition system with a coil pack mounted somewhere in the engine compartment and plug wires from that to the engine. Earlier in the 90's you would have still had a distributor but with electronic fuel injection either by direct injection or by throttle-body injection. The only TBI engine I've had was an OBD1 system with a distributor attached to the oil pump. It was built in 1995. The only electronic ignition engine I drove from the 90's was from 1996 and it had an OBD2 system with a coil pack. My first coil-on-plug engine was from 2006.

Otherwise this is a great article.

By @trhway - 5 months
"listen the station in the arc between antenna and grass."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9UO9tn4MpI

By @londons_explore - 5 months
Whichever engineer designed that spark plug should have tested it better to ensure the spark didn't 'wander' around as it's doing!

It's going to be next to impossible to tune an engine properly if the spark location wanders around a few mm for no reason.

By @mnemotronic - 5 months
I'm thinking 16, as in Volkswagon W16, part harmony on the Queen song.
By @DidYaWipe - 5 months
Link to the original article, so you don't have to agree to the "Autopian"'s douchey "accept marketing cookies or we won't show you the media:" https://newscrewdriver.com/2024/06/08/toyota-sienna-denso-co...