July 1st, 2024

Eating meat with lower carbon footprint often means killing more animals

Consumers face trade-offs between animal welfare and environmental impact when choosing meats. Different livestock and farming methods offer varying compromises. Balancing personal values is crucial. Research on farming systems could help mitigate trade-offs.

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Eating meat with lower carbon footprint often means killing more animals

Consumers face trade-offs between animal welfare and the environmental impact of meat consumption. Opting for lower carbon footprint meats like chicken over beef can reduce environmental impact but requires killing more animals. Different livestock and farming methods present varying trade-offs between environmental protection and animal welfare. For instance, caged hens have a lower carbon footprint than free-range ones, but their welfare is compromised. Similarly, grain-fed cows emit less greenhouse gases than grass-fed ones, but their welfare may suffer. Pigs also exhibit trade-offs between environmental impact and animal welfare, with better welfare often leading to higher emissions. Consumers must navigate these trade-offs based on personal values and priorities. While reducing overall meat consumption can benefit both the environment and animal welfare, some trade-offs remain inevitable. Research focusing on balancing environmental impact and animal welfare in farming systems could provide insights to mitigate these trade-offs.

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By @yosito - 4 months
While I do think the overall point of the article is an interesting one, it seems to me an odd assumption that the life of a single cow is somehow equal to the life of a single chicken or a single fish. At what point does it stop being equal? Is the life of a human equal to the life of a mosquito?
By @coldcode - 4 months
Fixing greenhouse gases requires focusing on the largest % contributors, not tiny little amounts. It's like optimizing code only used on startup instead of runtime. See https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/global-greenhouse-gas-overv...
By @throw0101b - 4 months
Meta: parts of animals that are not as popular for food get used for lots of things.

> Gone whole hog: Here's what happens to the rest of your Easter ham: Pig parts are used in everything from gelatin to fabric softener.

* https://www.cbc.ca/radio/thefridgelight/gone-whole-hog-here-...

> Cow Parts: Mad cow disease could wreak havoc in the US because nearly everything we taste has cow in it

* https://www.discovermagazine.com/health/cow-parts

By @satvikpendem - 4 months
Given that most people want to eat meat, as an axiom, looks like you will have to choose one or the other. In this case, if one is concerned for sentient animal welfare, then insects could be a great solution (although they'd be more of a protein source, not actually meat), or better yet, lab-grown meat, since that's ideally identical to animal-cultivated meat.
By @bdcravens - 4 months
For the environmentally minded, it's almost always a tradeoff.

Electric car? Less pollution, more lithium mining (for now)

Avoid plastic? Glass jars are heavy (and added emissions to transport), and more likely to need replacing.

Avoid clothing with microplastics (like polyester)? Cotton is one of the most water-intensive crops, and production of bamboo cloth requires heavy chemicals usually, polluting the local environment

etc ...

By @lxe - 4 months
I know this is a naive view, but in an efficient economy of scale where we are cutting costs to produce a good, the lower the costs, the higher the efficiency to produce that good.

Depending on the efficiency of the economy, if something is expensive, it required more energy or time or resources to produce. Producing (and buying) organic small batch things yields lower _net_ efficiency than mass-produced stuff.

Now, increasing efficiency may mean that _net_ impact is minimized, but tradeoffs are pretty wild. For example, we trade off pollution for cheaper energy production, etc...

Of course this is only fully realized in a spherical economy in a vaccum, but still, some of this is applicable to the real world.

By @lm28469 - 4 months
People who care about the moral aspect already don't eat meat

People who only care about the ecological aspect don't care about killing more animals

Also, how do you even quantify that ?

Is killing 30 cage raised chicken better or worse than killing a single grass fed free range cow ?

Are all lives worth the same ? If so bug based food would be extremely problematic

By @justaman - 4 months
Grow more of your own food. Preserve it in glass jars you reuse every year. Hunt and eat venison.
By @senkora - 4 months
Relevant SMBC: https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/2011-10-09

TL;DR: Pandas and koalas are the most ethical source of meat.

By @spants - 4 months
How about we dont eat animals? It is easy to do now.
By @amai - 4 months
Typical straw man article to make people claim a lower carbon footprint is bad.

Instead people should focus on the real super polluters: https://www.vice.com/en/article/dyv5mm/5-of-earths-power-pla...

By @kkfx - 4 months
Sorry but this article is pure PR. Nature is a cycle, animals do not "consume" food or "produce" meat. They live. A cow eating grass feeds the grass with its excrement and stimulate it's growth. The "issue" is for business who have to harvest food for their livestock to produce enough to sell enough at a price sufficient to earn their life.

Calculating "carbon footprint" is just calculating astrology, a narrative to scam their customers. Canada's wildfires last years polluted more than all antropic emission combined https://www.theguardian.com/world/article/2024/jun/27/canada... similarly Darvaza gas crater pollute much more than all flatulence and methane leaks from animals and humans together.

The point is that to feed enough human we need enough land for enough livestock and actually the current food production systems can't adapt to the climate change, huge number of humans AND BUSINESS so they try other ways to remain in business instead of evolving.