Trump injured but ‘fine’ after attempted assassination at rally

How the hell did we get here?

At a fundamental level, we seem to have lost our sense of what Democracy means.

The rules are "I can think you are crass, wrong, bigoted, geriatric, etc., but if a majority of my countrymen think otherwise, we accept we are not successful in the battle of ideas, and fight another battle of ideas in 4 years". Unless this is a lone, unstable individual, it is more evidence that our system needs more balance.

Truly sad that we've descended to this level

It's interesting that they avoid saying shot, while describing the consequences of being shot near the ear. Are they thinking he might've scratched the ear when his security jumped on him?

It might just be a bias from me, but it feels like a double standard that the media that are known for irresponsibly rushing stories out and issuing retractions after the fact might be trying to wait and see for the facts to come out this time.

I am not looking forward to these next few months. For 50 years we’ve had symptoms of an eroding democracy, and they’re becoming terminal now.

Media profit from our outrage. And we go along with it. Politicians derive power from our outrage. And again we go along with it. We must befriend our political rivals. Consider their viewpoint long enough to appreciate it. See that the other, is really ourselves. If we aren't doing that, then we are part of the problem, and we are creating the atmosphere that moves people to take such horrible and drastic actions. We have noone to blame but ourselves.

This is really bad news for the upcoming election.

Perhaps it was a good thing, because he’ll be more careful from now on. Many interviewers including Tucker Carlson saw this coming from a mile away. Pun intended. Hopefully further attempts will be less successful than otherwise. Look at how many were tried on a certain famous Cuban politician and how many were successful on Mexican presidential candidates every election cycle. The tallies of both will surprise you unless you already know your numbers. It’s a good thing that he’ll be more careful now, hopefully.

Already being discussed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40957344 (albeit flagged)

Maybe shock, maybe media savvy, but that decision to fist pump photo op just demonstrated how cognizant Trump is under fire... Everything Biden is not. Crazy how many different scenarios will play out depending on shooters race and affiliation, all of which bad.

I just make myself apathetic towards these politics otherwise I end up too angry. Republicans are furious about reactions to this violent event, yet so many of them call for gays (like me) to be tortured, murdered and actively hunted down as jokes all the time?

Why can I no longer vouch for threads? Did I vouch too many things that other deemed flaggable or was it a deliberate choice by a mod to remove this ability from my account?

What's the motive here?

Either the FBI is withholding information or the shooter didn't leave a trace. If it's the latter, there could be other parties (e.g. foreign governments) involved

The fact that they can't find a motive is very fishy. This isn't just something someone can do on a whim, the guy must've planned this out months in advance. He must have some documents somewhere

Odd. I posted this same essential news story on the day it occurred only to have it flagged for no apparent reason, despite being major news about a famous figure, on a site where notifications about famous figures and major non-tech news aren't uncommon.

Trump is truly capable of staging his own assassination attempt. They meaning Trump's inner circle found a young innocent guy who was bad at shooting we will never know what he got promised. Even the sniper who shot the boy said this must be an inside job otherwise with all the security how in God's way could he possibly made it to the rooftop??? Security inside the building security everywhere and the shooter walks by with an automatic rifle in his hand or on his back???? The only one who wins is Donald Trump if president elected he wipes out all his felonies puts all his enemies in jail etc.etc.etc. Think about it .

Trump is truly capable of staging his own assassination attempt. They meaning Trump's inner circle found a young innocent guy who was bad at shooting we will never know what he got promised. Even the sniper who shot the boy said this must be an inside job otherwise with all the security how in God's way could he possibly made it to the rooftop??? Security inside the building security everywhere and the shooter walks by with an automatic rifle in his hand or on his back???? The only one who wins is Donald Trump if president elected he wipes out all his felonies puts all his enemies in jail etc.etc.etc. Think about it .

I would love to read an analysis of the bias on HN. I see that depending on which side of politics the topic is, it is flagged much more. This is not a pro-Trump statement but an opportunity to improve the flagging system.

A simpler solution would be to ban political news no matter where they came from, even if they are historical. I prefer the first choice about innovation.

It's easy to see that past articles about "JFK Assasination" are not flagged at all [1]. Is the present the problem?

BTW, I tested ChatGPT time accuracy for news [2].

[1] https://www.google.com/search?q=jfk+assasination+site%3Anews...

[2] https://chatgpt.com/share/6f918b0a-7d28-4405-8826-87becf5079...

The original HN thread is littered with people calling to kill all liberals and talking about taking specific people's heads.

The reporting that followed that post suggests the shooter donated $15 to Act Blue when he was 17 and registered as a Republican at 18. All of this within the context that this young man is from a very rural town in Pennsylvania that Trump easily won. The whole situation is just odd.

The best thing for everyone to do is to do nothing, because nothing good comes from this point. No point in making things worse.

It’s what happens when you erode the rule of law - even as a democracy - and push a simplistic narrative of good guys and bad guys. Us versus them, the left versus the right - and of course we are the good ones.

As a democracy we must hold ourselves to the highest standards, anything else is a slippery slope. Look at the assassination of the Iranian general Qassem Soleimani in 2020, ordered by president Trump. Or the numerous innocent victims of long distance drone strikes in Afghanistan during Obama’s presidency. Or the current strikes on refugees in Gaza. I really don’t like the Taliban or Hamas; Soleimani was a horrible person, an oppressor and war criminal.

However, as a democracy, we just can’t just go and kill people we don’t like. Taking "collateral" victims for granted. We can’t ignore international law and human rights. We didn’t really care because, meh, bad guys in foreign countries.

But at some point, this mindset comes home and erodes our moral thinking: "It’s okay to eliminate someone I consider to be a bad guy. It’s okay to insult, harass and attack someone who doesn’t share my righteous values and beliefs. Who needs (international) laws, a juridical system and human rights when you can do it yourself?" It’s poisonous and it’s getting worse. I wish I could see a light at the end of the tunnel, but I really don’t see one at the moment.

History book event flagged on HN.

I was just talking with someone today - T is off news cycle; post debate it’s all about Biden, and then this happened

Conspiracy theories in 3... 2.. But hey, as far as i know, the USA are the best storytellers so far..

Both, Fico and Trump are right (conservative) represented politics. It looks like left is more radical.

Actually no, just stop this evil driven by politics. When we learn and abandon concept of voting for politics that drives this evil among citizens?

Bad title. Not the same as the article. He was not shot. There was gunfire at his rally but he was not shot.

Edit: this article did not specify that he was shot. Other articles showed that he was.