August 1st, 2024

Reddit CEO: Microsoft needs to pay to search the site

Reddit CEO Steve Huffman demands payment from companies like Microsoft for accessing Reddit's data, citing unauthorized scraping issues and emphasizing the need for licensing agreements to ensure compensation for content.

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Reddit CEO: Microsoft needs to pay to search the site

Reddit CEO Steve Huffman has stated that Microsoft and other companies need to pay for accessing Reddit's data, following issues with unauthorized scraping. In a recent interview, Huffman criticized Microsoft, Anthropic, and Perplexity for using Reddit's content without permission, describing the situation as challenging for Reddit to manage. He noted that Reddit has updated its robots.txt file to block web crawlers that do not have agreements in place, leading to Reddit results being visible only on Google, where Reddit has a paid arrangement. Huffman accused Microsoft of using Reddit's data to train its AI and summarize content in Bing search results without informing Reddit, and he expressed concern over the sale of Reddit data through the Bing API to other search engines. He emphasized that the traditional value exchange between search engines and content providers is changing, as the lines between search, summarization, and training are becoming blurred. In response to Reddit's actions, Microsoft stated that it respects website directives regarding content usage. Huffman pointed to a recent partnership with OpenAI as a model for future agreements, indicating that Reddit is seeking similar licensing deals to ensure compensation for its content. Anthropic confirmed it has not crawled Reddit since mid-May, while Microsoft declined to comment on the situation.

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By @cratermoon - 6 months
Reddit users: Reddit should be required to compensate the users to created the content that they are now wanting to sell
By @singron - 6 months
This doesn't make sense. It sounds like reddit made the appropriate robots.txt changes, and Microsoft is respecting them. But the quote is representing that reddit is taking some action beyond that to effectively block Microsoft.

> He specifically named Microsoft, Anthropic, and Perplexity for refusing to negotiate, saying it has been “a real pain in the ass to block these companies.”

Surely updating robots.txt isn't the pain in the ass he is referring to?

By @petterroea - 6 months
We were wrong to assume the ToS'es requiring us to hand over ownership of what we published were for technical legal reasons and would never be abused
By @dredmorbius - 6 months
What's the impact on DuckDuckGo, anybody?
By @Yizahi - 6 months
A testament to how shit are modern day search results, that a single site can set such demands, knowing that without its data the quality of dataset drops a lot.
By @Khelavaster - 6 months
Publicly available web pages can always be legally indexable and searchable, right?

An index is a derivative-enough work that copyright doesn't apply.