August 5th, 2024

A 20-something dethroned dotcom CEO that went to work the counter at McDonald's (2000)

Scott Heiferman, a former dotcom CEO, worked at McDonald's to understand low-wage workers' challenges, gaining insights into employee recognition and management's lack of appreciation for staff efforts.

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A 20-something dethroned dotcom CEO that went to work the counter at McDonald's (2000)

Scott Heiferman, a former dotcom CEO, took a job at McDonald's in New York City to reconnect with the real world after years in the internet industry. He aimed to experience the operations of a successful, established business and gain respect for the hard work of low-wage employees. Heiferman's observations during his time at McDonald's highlighted several key points: the appeal of the dollar menu, the low wages and hard work of employees, the lack of management emphasis on customer service, and the absence of appreciation for staff efforts. He noted that many of his co-workers performed their jobs more efficiently than he could and that the physical demands of the job, such as handling fry baskets, were challenging. Despite his background in leadership and management, Heiferman found that being an under-appreciated employee provided him with valuable insights into the importance of recognition in the workplace. His experience was documented in a piece that was misinterpreted by some as a publicity stunt, but he emphasized the genuine lessons learned from working in a fast-paced, low-wage environment.

- Scott Heiferman worked at McDonald's to reconnect with everyday life after being a dotcom CEO.

- He gained respect for low-wage workers and highlighted the challenges they face.

- He observed a lack of emphasis on customer service and appreciation from management.

- Heiferman found that many co-workers were more skilled and efficient than he was.

- His experience provided valuable insights into employee recognition and workplace dynamics.

AI: What people are saying
The comments reflect a range of perspectives on Scott Heiferman's experience working at McDonald's and the broader implications of low-wage work.
  • Several commenters share personal anecdotes about their own experiences in low-wage jobs, highlighting a sense of nostalgia and the challenges faced.
  • There is a common theme of appreciation for the insights gained from working in such roles, emphasizing the disconnect between high-paying jobs and the realities of low-wage work.
  • Some comments express skepticism about the duration and sincerity of Heiferman's McDonald's stint, questioning whether it was a genuine effort to understand low-wage workers.
  • Many commenters resonate with the idea of feeling unappreciated in their jobs, regardless of the industry.
  • There is a mix of admiration for Heiferman's approach and a desire among some to reconnect with simpler, more grounded work experiences.
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By @supahfly_remix - 6 months
He went on to found meetup.com (see his bio at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Heiferman).
By @uptime - 6 months
I met Heifermann once during a project and I thought he was a grounded person. I remember one thing he did was paying not for ad slots, but to change your background to a dalmation spotted print for a promotion, with a link. This was long before CSS, etc.

He made his money just when the idea of value being divorced from real product to virtual metrics, “chasing eyeballs,” etc. was getting hot. The days when you sold a huge contract by showing a CD ROM of the website you were never going to achieve, to a client who had no idea what they were buying.

This guy was much more honest than the norm. The McD and meetup stuff reflects the fact that he kept people in the equation.

By @mtmail - 6 months
"10/[20]00-10/[20]00: counterperson, mcdonald's" Does that mean he worked there for one month or less?

I checked his Linkedin, the job isn't listed. Jan 2002 he started a new photo startup ("50M+ members posted a billion photos"), then co-founder&CEO of meetup.

It's a good time capsule of what his thinking was in 2000 but I wonder if it was more than a break. At my office job I, too, often think I should drive an Uber or deliver food for a month as a break.

By @karaterobot - 6 months
If his timeline and application are true, he was technically still the chairman of his company while working at McDonald's, if in name only.

> 10/99-10/01: chairman, i-traffic (an agency.com company)

> 10/00-10/00: counterperson, mcdonald's (4th & broadway, nyc)

I sometimes think about going back to work at food service jobs after I retire, just to keep busy. I enjoyed those jobs as a high school and college student, and I wonder if I still would, or if I might be too spoiled now. And if my back was tired at the end of a shift when I was 21, I guess now I might just die.

By @huac - 6 months
His most recent LinkedIn role: Fulfillment Center Associate I, Part Time, Amazon.
By @your_challenger - 6 months
> Nobody thanked me.

Do you think this is still true?

This resonates with me. I used to work in tech, but I recently joined my family's brick-and-mortar business. No one says thank you, no one appreciates you. I find it amazing that this culture of thanklessness exists even in the US (I'm in India) in non-tech jobs.

P.S. I worked at all fronts of the business before joining the management. Worked at the counter, as a delivery personal, as a sales executive, etc. And when I say "Nobody thanked me" I mean no one at the company appreciated my efforts.

By @sandspar - 6 months
Slumming it, basically. You can leave whenever you want, the people around you are stuck there.
By @vaxman - 5 months
Just threw up in my mouth. Yes, our capital markets developed FOMO on the next Apple or Microsoft and so they devolved into throwing caution to the wind and funding people like This. There were trillions lost, millions of workers permanently removed from industry (I think IBM laid off almost a quarter of them alone), plus the damage to the private equity companies that were robbed of investment (by ALL available capital going into "companies" like PETS.COM during the dot-com bubble) and then the catastrophic losses we all sustained as the public equity markets popped followed by the tech nuclear winter that lasted SIX YEARS (when few university students graduated with CS degrees) causing untold additional losses for decades thereafter. I'm glad there are companies like YCombinator to experiment in a controlled way with exploiting high-level technologies (like Web 2.0...) to make our economy run more efficiently, but execs back then were not experienced enough to put people like this guy under a proper manager or simply cut him a check to buy a Corvette or something and send him on his way. Some of those execs did have big wins that have allowed them to move on from their "stabilizing role" in the economy to a now very "destabilizing role" (by inflating another stock market bubble and "artificial" energy crisis). Let's hope the capital markets shut them down before it repeats --because next time, China and Russia won't be on their knees as we screw around with investments in those finding their way at McDonalds.
By @pharos92 - 5 months
I miss the carefree days of working in fast food in my late teens and early 20s. Getting stoned with friends, eating crappy food, staying up all night living care free. Glad I'm not doing it now, but there was a sense of wonder and joy in the simplicity of it all.
By @hackeraccount - 6 months
They should add a date to the title - I saw the $5 and hour and was confused. I swear I remember McDonald's starting people at $10 an hour even around that time.
By @nunez - 6 months
Honestly this is something I would like to do once I feel "financially ready." I want to be a barista, at least for a little while. Like this CEO outlined, it's really easy to be detached from the real world when you're working super high paying jobs.
By @thatgerhard - 5 months
In my 20s I also lost a job and had to go work at a Mcdonalds. Regardless of all the other things.. most fun job ever!

I'm in my 40s now and run a small dev agency. (if that matters)

By @hollywood_court - 6 months
Reminds me of Armie Hammer selling timeshares in the Caribbean.
By @swader999 - 5 months
I went back treeplanting in between jobs at 46. It was glorious but I really missed my family.
By @dominicrose - 5 months
I got a -1 point at an English test when I was a kid because of writing "i"...
By @sobelius - 6 months
Honestly, I think he’s living the dream — no tech headaches, just flipping burgers and taking it easy. Really makes me think...