Tesla drivers say new FSD update is repeatedly running red lights

Anybody buying FSD is a fool, and you know what they say about fools and their money. It blows my mind that some consumers would spend $8K on a feature without doing the 5 minutes of research it would take to determine that FSD isn't here, and won't be here for years.

I own a Tesla, and I chose not to buy FSD because in 2019 when I bought it, it simply didn't work based on what I had read. Earlier this year, when Tesla gave a trial to all Tesla owners, I tried it out and was surprised at how good it was, but it still make bad mistakes, one time even curbing the rear wheel while navigating a curve to the right [0], despite it knowing exactly where the curb was.

The problem is that you still have to babysit it. And if you have the babysit a self-driving feature, then it's entirely useless. It becomes nothing more than a party trick to show off to friends about how neat it is.

Autopilot is great. Love it, especially on road trips. But until FSD is good enough to drive my drunk ass home from a party and even park in my driveway, I'm staying away (and staying sober!).

[0] Here's the curb it hit: https://maps.app.goo.gl/BLeqSywhXHRyf7a39. With how wide that lane is, there's no reason it should have cut it so close that it hit the curb. There wasn't even anybody next to me.

Still ignoring school bus stop signs as well.

https://x.com/bradsferguson/status/1828031824158683439

As it has been for literal years and has resulted in at a minimum one recorded instance of literally and knowingly running down at least one child exiting a school bus:

https://x.com/tesla2moon/status/1770599114494898310

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZiSZbWIrzA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ly6Juveo-7Y

Reported by Tesla confirming ADAS usage as incident 13781-5100 in the NHTSA SGO database [1].

https://www.wnct.com/on-your-side/crime-tracker/tesla-driver...

[1] https://static.nhtsa.gov/odi/ffdd/sgo-2021-01/SGO-2021-01_In...

Meanwhile, Waymo can sensibly move through a street with crowds of people walking around: https://x.com/TechTekedra/status/1828816255404687773

With v12.5.1.1 My Tesla ran into a curb, I had to get 2 wheels and tires replaced

https://twitter.com/gourneau/status/1821005220190798038

Yikes. I don't want to use this product myself.

Still, it's worrisome to judge based on anecdotes. I'd really like to see some sort of overall statistics that compare Tesla FSD to other cars. Tesla claims their FSD system, overall, saves lives. Does it?

The Waymo statistics, I find pretty convincing that Waymo is safer than human-driven taxis. There are still bad Waymo anecdotes, and they should continue to improve, but overall it seems like a good thing for safety.

Tesla FSD, I just don't know.

FSD is surprisingly good when it does work. But the problem, as I have said on this very web site for more than a decade, is that the failure mode is unacceptable. You have to button up all the nigh unto infinite edge cases to truly be fully autonomous.

is this a technical or cultural feature?

It's because it's trained on real tesla drivers.....

"FSD" is not running red lights, the so-called "driver" is. Ultimately you are responsible for what your car does, when you are in the driver's seat. If you allow it to run red lights, it's on you.

Curious who gets a ticket when FSD runs a red light?

Is SAE Level 2 perhaps 'good enough' for most people, especially on highways (either flowing or stop-and-go), for now?

Comma's 3X seems to be something that increases driving convenience for people, but doesn't over-promise / under-deliver on its capabilities. Should Level 2 be what manufacturers be shooting for when they're shipping their 2024/5 models?

(Though certainly strive for higher levels in the future.)

...running them safely tho?

I love all the Tesla critics running to this form their complainy thought in hands. We all run red lights, repeatedly, we all run red lights. I've been saying for years Tesla FSD, better than racecar experts.