September 17th, 2024

Omnipresent AI cameras will ensure good behavior, says Larry Ellison

Larry Ellison proposed AI surveillance for law compliance, suggesting it would improve citizen behavior. His vision raises privacy concerns and requires advanced hardware, with $100 billion in AI investments expected soon.

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Omnipresent AI cameras will ensure good behavior, says Larry Ellison

Larry Ellison, co-founder of Oracle, recently shared his vision for a future dominated by AI surveillance during a company financial meeting. He proposed a system where AI would monitor citizens through a network of cameras and drones, ensuring compliance with laws by both police and the public. Ellison suggested that this constant oversight would encourage better behavior among citizens, as everything would be recorded and reported. He also envisioned AI-controlled drones replacing police vehicles in high-speed pursuits. While Ellison framed this surveillance as beneficial, his comments raised concerns about privacy and civil liberties, echoing themes from George Orwell's "1984." The implementation of such systems would require significant advancements in AI hardware, particularly GPUs, which are currently in high demand. Ellison noted that major investments in AI are expected to reach $100 billion over the next five years, as companies race to integrate AI into various applications. This vision of AI surveillance parallels existing systems in places like China, where extensive monitoring has raised alarms about digital totalitarianism.

- Larry Ellison envisions a future with AI surveillance to ensure law compliance.

- He suggests that constant monitoring will encourage better behavior among citizens.

- Concerns about privacy and civil liberties are raised by his proposals.

- The implementation of AI surveillance systems requires advanced hardware, particularly GPUs.

- Significant investments in AI are anticipated, with companies expected to spend $100 billion in the next five years.

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By @Vegenoid - 7 months
> "Citizens will be on their best behavior because we are constantly recording and reporting everything that's going on," Ellison said

He's not even trying to frame it as "the weight of crime will be lifted from the people so they can prosper". It's "citizens will be on their best behavior". I've got a suspicion that he envisions a separate world for himself that does not involve such monitoring.

By @aussieguy1234 - 7 months
In Iran, AI powered facial recognition cameras are being rolled out to catch out any women who dare disobey their religious clothing rules. Once caught, these women often face severe abuses at the hands of the state.

The state in this case believes this is "good behaviour", but this would be shocking to most HN readers. This is a good example of why you should never give one person or organisation too much power.

Who gets to define what "Good behaviour" is?

By @walterbell - 7 months
https://www.harvardmagazine.com/2016/12/the-watchers

  If democratic self-governance relies on an informed citizenry, Penney wrote, then “surveillance-related chilling effects,” by “deterring people from exercising their rights,” including “…the freedom to read, think, and communicate privately,” are “corrosive to political discourse.” 

  .. “Governments, of course, know this. China.. wants people to self-censor, because it knows it can’t stop everybody. The idea is that if you don’t know where the line is, and the penalty for crossing it is severe, you will stay far away from it.. if your goal is to control a population,” Schneier says, “mass surveillance is awesome.” 

  .. The social challenge now, [Zuboff] says, is to insist on a new social contract.. “We have to create the political context in which privacy can be successfully defended, protected, and affirmed as a human right. Then we’d have a context in which the privacy battles can be won.”
By @ggm - 7 months
Oracle sells to entities who want the processing capabilities and OLTP. Ellison is a dinosoar survivor of another era. Not every play he makes is awesome but he is a survivor. If he says this, there will be a reason behind it which goes to Oracle's bottom line.

Not the politics, not what he really thinks: A reason which matches a market opportunity he thinks Oracle can seize.

By @mpalmer - 7 months
Sounds pretty god-awful to me. But it's certainly worth considering that this capability will exist in the next 20-30 years, for better or worse.

Technology this powerful is the bedrock of a successful hypothetical totalitarian state, a big prerequisite. What do we do once it's within reach?

By @jmward01 - 7 months
There is no doubt that this dystopian view deserves immediate condemnation, but that doesn't meant that there wasn't one possible good idea in there. Don't watch people, just watch the watchmen:

"Every police officer is going to be supervised at all times, and if there's a problem, AI will report the problem and report it to the appropriate person."

By @BenFranklin100 - 7 months
If COVID-19 taught us anything, it’s that people gladly give up civil liberties when threatened. What Ellison describes and desires could come to pass. It already is in China and the UK. The government just needs the right leverage, such as a mass terror event, in order to make it happen.
By @jameskilton - 7 months
Justice without mercy is cruelty.

Mercy without justice is the mother of dissolution.

- St. Thomas Acquinas

By @kylecazar - 7 months
It's a logical next step to what major cities are already doing for years now. I agree it will happen, not that it should be welcome.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domain_Awareness_System

By @chris_wot - 7 months
I'm sure this view will last for as long as it doesn't affect Larry Ellison.
By @bxguff - 7 months
No wonder kids cover their faces now
By @al2o3cr - 7 months
Very curious how Larry thinks AI cameras would have prevented this:

https://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/12/technology/oracles-chief-...

Or is he only worried about the behavior of people who aren't billionaires?

By @glandium - 7 months
Obligatory Bryan Cantrill quote: "You need to think of Larry Ellison the way you think of a lawnmower. You don't anthropomorphize your lawnmower, the lawnmower just mows the lawn, you stick your hand in there and it'll chop it off, the end. You don't think «oh, the lawnmower hates me», lawnmower doesn't give a shit about you, lawnmower can't hate you. Don't anthropomorphize the lawnmower. "
By @afinlayson - 7 months
I suspect the unspoken part is *of those who can't afford to pay the fines for bad behavior.
By @kkfx - 7 months
Few notes:

- ALL the focus is on asset allocation and ordinary people surveillance, nothing on who control AND OWN the controllers, or the "AI" mentioned;

- smartphones, mobile connectivity the key to make people pay the surveillance, obviously for the profit of the controller.

Instead of FTTH to focus on stable and high performance links to WFH focus on mobile surveillance, I'm curious why we IT workers do no agree a MASSIVE, WORLDWIDE STRIKE asking for mandatory WFH for all eligible jobs "we run the nervous system of the society, we build it, we will not be flesh-based bots of some manager in a smart-city lager", and focus on desktop computing instead of mobile, because here happen anything else.

By @moribvndvs - 7 months
Let’s start with Larry’s office.
By @cranberryturkey - 7 months
What if the ancient civilizations are actually future-humans who go back in time to ensure their species survival (us) after a cataclysmic event (ie: dinosaurs) wipes out humanity? The grays are said to be a fusion of human/ai
By @__MatrixMan__ - 7 months
Don't worry, Oracle will sue anyone who buys it into oblivion, so it won't be a threat for long.
By @deafpolygon - 7 months
This smells of 1984 idolatry.
By @Vivtek - 7 months
Why don't we start with some in his house and office?
By @Animats - 7 months
How do we watch the stream from the camera in Larry Ellison's office?
By @jeisc - 7 months
perfect for a thought controlled society run by a despot
By @erikerikson - 7 months
Surveillance has expanded and seems set to continue, regardless of what one may or may not prefer.

It seems the important questions are whether such systems will define what is right or whether they will support the population in decentralized social decision making and synchronization the same way capitalism supports distributed allocation decisions.

By @jacknews - 7 months
"Citizens will be on their best behavior..."

... and certainly wont be throwing IoT remotes against the wall in anger, publicly berating employees, or storming off angrily in their F1s, etc, etc. Hypocritical jerk.

By @hello_computer - 7 months
I suspect that Larry is a closet libertarian, and this is his accelerationist response.
By @krapp - 7 months
Looks like another rich asshole needs a guillotine delivered to their front door.