September 18th, 2024

Yale, Princeton and Duke Are Questioned over Decline in Asian Students

Students for Fair Admissions is investigating Yale, Princeton, and Duke for declines in Asian American enrollment post-Supreme Court ruling, suggesting non-compliance while experts caution against immediate conclusions from fluctuating data.

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Yale, Princeton and Duke Are Questioned over Decline in Asian Students

The group Students for Fair Admissions, which previously won a Supreme Court case against Harvard regarding affirmative action, is now scrutinizing Yale, Princeton, and Duke for declines in Asian American student enrollment. The organization sent letters to these universities questioning their compliance with the Supreme Court's ruling that ended race-based admissions. The letters highlighted significant drops in Asian American enrollment: Duke's fell from 35% to 29%, Yale's from 30% to 24%, and Princeton's from 26% to 23.8%. In contrast, Black enrollment saw slight increases at Duke and remained stable at Yale, while it decreased at Princeton. The group suggested that the admissions numbers indicated a lack of neutrality in the admissions process. Experts noted that fluctuations in enrollment can occur year-to-year and cautioned against drawing immediate conclusions. Additionally, there has been an increase in students opting not to disclose their race on applications, complicating the data. Universities are attempting to maintain diversity through other means, such as increasing financial aid. The letters from Students for Fair Admissions signal a continued battle over race-conscious admissions policies, emphasizing the need for transparency in admissions practices.

- Students for Fair Admissions is investigating Yale, Princeton, and Duke for declines in Asian American enrollment.

- Asian American enrollment dropped significantly at all three universities following the Supreme Court's ruling on affirmative action.

- The organization claims the admissions numbers suggest non-compliance with the new rules.

- Experts caution against drawing conclusions from one year's data due to natural fluctuations in enrollment.

- Universities are exploring alternative methods to maintain diversity, such as increasing financial aid.

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By @zone411 - 7 months
The Supreme Court decision was toothless because it allowed universities to create race proxies, and they're exploiting it to make the decision irrelevant. It's even perfectly fine to discuss race in college essays, for example: "Rice University asked students how their perspectives were shaped by their “background, experiences, upbringing, and/or racial identity.”" (https://apnews.com/article/college-application-affirmative-a...). They'll fine-tune them to achieve the exact racial makeup they want eventually. The bigger surprise is that a few schools haven't done it (yet?).
By @addicted - 7 months
It is obviously the increase in those who haven’t checked boxes. There have been so many articles about this and nearly every article has a comment from an Asian student saying they work to ensure their essays don’t reveal their race. Clearly the college admission advisors are telling Asian students to not mention their race.

Also, I’m not sure if international students count here but there’s likely been a drop in Asian students applying to US universities which if they do count may affect the numbers as well.

By @egberts1 - 7 months
It is not hard to understand if you flood your student body with underachievers thus risking institutional reputation.

For me, I no longer pick medical specialists who graduated from Harvard since 2017. Others at various later date. And I felt vindicated after reading

https://casetext.com/case/hernandez-v-yale-medical-group

By @WCSTombs - 7 months
> Among the variables shaping the current numbers is the jump in the percentage of students who chose not to check the boxes for race and ethnicity on their applications. At Princeton, for instance, that number rose to 7.7 percent this year from just 1.8 percent last year. At Duke it rose to 11 percent from 5 percent. Universities may not know whether the “unknown” number includes more white and Asian American students.

Well that's pretty significant. And ironically, there could be a link between the increased focus on race in admissions and applicants "opting out," so to speak.

By @SweetestRug - 7 months
By @hindsightbias - 7 months
Meritocracy. Some folks keep saying that word, but I don’t think it means what they think it means

“We estimate that Asian American applicants had 28% lower odds of ultimately attending an Ivy-11 school than white applicants with similar academic and extracurricular qualifications. The gap was particularly pronounced for students of South Asian descent (49% lower odds).”

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41598-024-55119-0#:~:text=W....

By @blackeyeblitzar - 7 months
The UC system wasn’t allowed to consider race or implement affirmative action, at least in the past. As I recall they had significantly higher rates of Asian students compared to the private universities (like Ivy leagues) where affirmative action policies racially discriminate against Asian students
By @AtlasBarfed - 7 months
Ah, and an entire comment section not mentioning the new white whale of college admissions affirmative action:

The white male college student

By @noobermin - 7 months
Isn't the ask here contradictory? They're asking for affirmative action but in their direction.
By @VoidWhisperer - 7 months
'Lets end affirmative action!'

'We are going to sue you for something that affirmative action helped avoid'

I know i'm likely oversimplifying it but I am trying to highlight the ridiculousness of it