June 28th, 2024

James Joyce Was a Complicated Man

James Joyce's tumultuous relationship with Ireland, his innovative writing challenging societal norms, and his quest for artistic freedom and self-expression shaped his legacy as a pioneering figure in modernist literature.

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James Joyce Was a Complicated Man

James Joyce's life and work were marked by complexity and controversy. His relationship with Ireland was tumultuous, with the country rejecting him as much as he distanced himself from it. Joyce's writing delved into the ordinary aspects of life, challenging societal norms and pushing boundaries. His masterpiece, "Ulysses," faced censorship and criticism for its explicit portrayal of human experiences. Despite being celebrated internationally for his innovative style, Joyce's relationship with his homeland remained strained. He aimed to depict modern Ireland realistically, breaking away from romanticized notions of the past. Joyce's focus on aesthetics and language over politics underscored his commitment to artistry above all else. His departure from Ireland symbolized a deeper quest for artistic freedom and self-expression. Through his works, Joyce sought to provoke introspection and reform within Irish society, even as his writing was more appreciated outside of Ireland. The intricate interplay between Joyce's personal experiences, artistic vision, and the societal context of Ireland shaped his legacy as a pioneering figure in modernist literature.

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By @dagw - 5 months
For anyone who want get into James Joyce, but finds reading him intimidating, I highly recommend the RTE (Irish national radio) recording of Ulysses: https://www.rte.ie/radio/podcasts/series/32198-ulysses/

Not only do they have a fantastic full cast reading of the book, but for each chapter they have a companion episode where they talk to a Joyce scholar about the chapter. I went through it by alternating listening to a chapter then listing to the episode about the chapter, and I finally really got Joyce and understood why he is considered great.

By @sourcepluck - 5 months
Excellent essay! Really loved it.

For Finnegan's Wake - I find it's best to open it up at random and shout it out as you pace around. Maybe peer at yourself now and again in a mirror. If you can work it up to a roar, then you'll really be flying, but it'd depend on what you had for breakfast.

By @jrflowers - 5 months
The entertainment value of James Joyce’s letters to Nora cannot be overstated.

https://allthatsinteresting.com/james-joyce-love-letters-nor...

By @patrickscoleman - 5 months
I am currently reading Ulysses, so this was a nice surprise on hn. Great historical context. Thank you! After many years of false starts, I stopped trying to understand everything and just let the prose wash over me. And now I’m enjoying it.

“ I feel I need not worry so much about “misreading” Joyce. Every reading of Ulysses is a misreading, a faulty but revealing translation, a way of drawing the novel into new and perhaps unintended relationships. All that matters to me is finding a way to read the book that is interesting: that opens out instead of closing down.” [1]

[1] https://www.theparisreview.org/blog/2022/12/07/misreading-ul...

By @returningfory2 - 5 months
Gabriel Garcia Marquez is another example of a writer who lived outside their country of birth but whose writing was still set there (born and raised in Colombia but lived in Mexico City for most of their adult life). Others?
By @cute_boi - 5 months
Mistakes are the portals of discovery. --James Joyce
By @thwarted - 5 months
Ezra Pound worried his high art had become “arsthitic”.

Is this a misspelling? I can not find a definition of "arsthitic".

By @AlbertCory - 5 months
This is actually one of the best summaries of Ulysses I've ever seen, and I took an extension course at Stanford on the book. We also had an approved commentary book.

I don't remember most of these themes being raised. I remember the teacher saying with awe, "He can do whatever he wants with the English language!" and me thinking, "Who cares?"

He also went on and on about Joyce's stream-of-consciousness writing, and how that was a real reflection of how we think. Again, I thought, "So what? It's old hat now."

As for the fragmentary style: sorry, this didn't impress me either, at the time.

Good article.

By @matrix87 - 5 months
I really like Joyce but the one complaint I do have is his harder works require a bunch of homework

Like if you're going to read Ulysses, there are a bunch of companion books that are entirely footnotes for the thousands of unexplained references. Ofc you don't have to read every footnote, but there's considerable overhead involved in reading him

Ditto for the Wake, most people just give up and assume it's nonsense. But there is some general story behind it and it too has a bunch of homework

Portrait is more approachable and I got more out of it per ounce of labor involved

It's nice to be able to just pick up a book and read it, no? Like if you know basic Russian history you can pick up a Dostoevsky and read through it without too much hassle

I'm not sure what changed in the literary world that made authors prioritize showing off over being understood by anyone

By @bbor - 5 months
A) Great article, thanks for posting! I would say the headline is a little bit of clickbait (the "complication" implied there is that he had complicated feelings about Ireland, plus maybe some sexual kink stuff), but in 2024 I can't complain. After all, as an ex-Adsense employee, it's more my fault than theirs!

B) "From then on, Joyce lived in Europe." Isn't Ireland in Europe...?

C)

  “Just as ancient Egypt is dead,” he wrote, “so is ancient Ireland.” His aim was not to become bound to a romanticised notion of the Irish past, but to show modern Ireland to itself and to make an Irish literature that was truly European."
A beautiful notion... Will definitely be rattling around in my head as I think about modern nationalism and the extent to which its ever okay to talk about "western civilization" or "athenian legacy" and such with a straight face. Ditto for the "founding fathers" of the USA, really... I'm hopeful we can build a truly global American culture, and hopefully with a bit less bloodshed than secularism cost Europe.

D) If this essay interested you and you haven't read The Hyperion Cantos, I highly highly recommend it! Simmons employs Joyce as a central motif throughout the series, which I recall being somewhat confounding at the time, but likely eye-opening if you're familiar with the man's work!