Launch HN: Arva AI (YC S24) – AI agents for instant global KYB onboarding

I'm not super familiar with KYB, so it could be that this would pass a human check as well, but I got in with a couple of mostly-blank utility bill / AOI templates and a pastebin saying 'this is the company x website, we do business y' as the official company website.

In any case this is a cool demo, and the type of thing that I expect to be mostly solved as LLMs get better. Good luck!

This is very interesting. It calls to mind some advice I heard someone associated with YC (maybe PG?) offer a while ago: (approximately) the best ideas right now are the ones that will become more useful rather than less as AI gets better.

I say that because although it's been about ten years since I worked at a financial institute, this task seems like it must be still barely too complex for AI alone in its present state to match human performance but perhaps within reach if we can soon expect further slight advances in consistency and attention across longer context. Does your experience line up with those suppositions? Or with the high structure/formalization you've mentioned, do you see this as an alternative to all those KYB analysts today?

If Revolut is handling tens of thousands of manual business reviews per day, and only 40% of applications require review, that's upwards of 10 million new businesses joining Revolut per year. Revolut does not yet have one million business customers, let alone 10 million. Are you conflating KYC with KYB?

Verifying articles of incorporation is a poor example. Verifying business incorporation is very straightforward, it does not require AI, a simple rules-based system will capture most cases because there is a single authority in every jurisdiction. Revolut's business onboarding process has direct integration with Companies House in the UK. AiPrise offers that as a product.

I do not understand where AI fits into a world driven by rules and authoritative information. The success of existing platforms demonstrates this. I hope that I am wrong and that you succeed.

Would this hold up in court as actually "knowing" your customer if you let an AI handle it?

I need a solution to the other side of this problem: an AI agent that will get me through the KYB process of a bank so I can open a business account.

What’s your go-to-market? Who’s your end customer? (Buyer and/or user)

Also, what is your differentiator? What makes it difficult for existing KYC / customer verification / etc to compete in the space? In my mind, if you’ve got a kyc business that is proving AI verification solutions, they could just retrain their models on other documents to satisfy KYB, don’t mean to say it would be easy, but definitely feasible. Edit: typo

What model are you using? People that'd want to buy this wouldn't want you dumping everything to OpenAI or any other major provider.

I've seen reports of skilled candidates being weeded out and unskilled ones gaming the system with this happening in the ATS space.

Legitimate candidates are rejected without ever knowing that they were filtered out and have no way of know why or how to fix it.

Aside from saving time for business customers, how do you intend to address this sort of system abuse and failure of users?

Does this plug in to any KYB providers to handle exceptions?

We have AiPrise already embedded but it'd be nice to have an agent do a first pass to review exceptions that get flagged for manual review.

Looks awesome. Compliance in itself is a huge space that can benefit from a lot of automation. And the pain point of avoiding back-and-forth and giving quick feedback is real, because people usually don't read instructions, but rely on "feedback" to instruct them. All the best!

I'm curious why a tech-first bank like Revolut is not building something like this internally if it's such an obvious cost-saving measure? I understand why traditional banks might not (no tech culture, old processes, all the usual bla).

> a human analyst has to conduct extensive manual verification a lot of the time. This causes long onboarding times, and there are huge costs in maintaining compliance teams and in fixing mistakes—because human analysts often deviate from procedure.

What about the ones that don't deviate from procedure. What happens to the human analysts who do a good job? Are they automated away? AI has so many applications, it seems like the automation is becoming a game, where people are on the race to automate to save only to hope that they aren't automated away themselves.

I'm all for saving time -- heck, I'm a programmer myself and have automated a lot of random stuff. But I wonder if these AI applications are going beyond the optimal amount of automation and pushing too many people out of an opportunity to contribute to society.

Totally dig the idea! Can you throw in some sample fake company docs that have worked well before to test out the demo?

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Neat idea.

From another lens, it looks almost like AIs running a Turing Test for humans.